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i am loading rainier 185 plated HP over 6.2 grains W231 powder. Slight crimp with Lee FCD. Very soft load. Barely ejects. Occasional FTE. Using Win large primers. Plunk test fine. Just want a better load with more zip. I like the Win white box 230s.
At 6.2 gr I think I am at max. Is this common for W231?

Shooting a Glock G30s. Less than 200 rounds on it.
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Power pistol (#35) is not hotter than W231 (#29) on the burn chart. If you want to change powders, move up to TiteGroup (#15) or Clays (#9). I used to load 45acp with both of those. But 6.2 grs of 231 with a 185 should get you well over 900f fps and have no function problems. What is the actual diameter of the plated bullets? I got two thousand of those as match product years ago, and they didn't work for shiete. Left them at the range. Try a 185 Bayou and start at 5 grs
 

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Power pistol (#35) is not hotter than W231 (#29) on the burn chart. If you want to change powders, move up to TiteGroup (#15) or Clays (#9). I used to load 45acp with both of those. But 6.2 grs of 231 with a 185 should get you well over 900f fps and have no function problems. What is the actual diameter of the plated bullets? I got two thousand of those as match product years ago, and they didn't work for shiete. Left them at the range. Try a 185 Bayou and start at 5 grs
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If you like wwb 230, then stay with w231 & load 230gr?? You want more slide speed, you have to run 185gr really fast or 230gr slower. Think in terms of power factor, mass x vel. A 185 @ 1000fps is 185 pf. A 230 @ 805fps is 185 pf.
 
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Wwb 230 runs about 825fps in a 5". So go to your loading manual & pick a powder that gets you there with a little room to spare. For me, 45acp happily runs on faster powders like TG (ugh), WST, RedDot, RS Comp.
 

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Nope, no good because you are showing a 1911, he needs a Glock guy to properly dispose of that powder. I think 4.5 grs under a 124 gr TC Bayou at 1.100" should work just fine for USPSA Minor.
I do have a g21 3rd gen among other 45 acp that need some feeding. and plenty of 230 grain bullets to load.
 

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Yes, that too. The oldest .45acp recipe on the planet, a 230 RN on top of 5 grains of W231 at 1.240".
Maybe the oldest recipe is with 231, but the original load under a 230 ball is with 5gr of Bullseye.
I do not know what the BE load was with the original 200gr bullet.
231 did not show up in canister grade until sometime around early 70's, Army wanted a heavier bullet, so the 230 ball was introduced. If you melt down recovered 230 ball, you'll find that the jacket weighs in at 30grs.
I once shot a friends Ruger 1911 loaded with Blue Dot under a 200gr swc. Shot very well.
 

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i am loading rainier 185 plated HP over 6.2 grains W231 powder. Slight crimp with Lee FCD. Very soft load. Barely ejects. Occasional FTE. Using Win large primers. Plunk test fine. Just want a better load with more zip. I like the Win white box 230s.
At 6.2 gr I think I am at max. Is this common for W231?

Shooting a Glock G30s. Less than 200 rounds on it.
I just got back from the range. Loaded some w231/185 at 6.4 and 6.6 grains and shot just like I wanted. Sorry I bad mouthed w231.
 

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Relik, The very first .45acp rounds were 200 grains, but by the time the contract was awarded, they were 230 grains.

The result from Colt was the Model 1905 and the new .45 ACP cartridge. The original round that passed the testing fired a 200 grain (13 g) bullet at 900 ft/s (275 m/s), but after a number of rounds of revisions between Winchester Repeating Arms, Frankford Arsenal, and Union Metallic Cartridge, it ended up using a 230 grain (14.9 g) bullet fired at a nominal velocity of 850 ft/s (260 m/s). The resulting .45-caliber cartridge, named the .45 ACP, culminating in the adoption in 1911 of the "Cal. .45 Automatic Pistol Ball Cartridge, Model of 1911", a 1.273 in (32.3 mm) long round with a bullet weight of 230 grains (15 g). The very first production, at Frankford Arsenal, was marked "F A 8 11", for the August 1911 date.
 

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I still feel the 200gr or maybe a 210gr at 900fps is about perfect for the intended purpose.
 

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i am loading rainier 185 plated HP over 6.2 grains W231 powder. Slight crimp with Lee FCD. Very soft load. Barely ejects. Occasional FTE. Using Win large primers. Plunk test fine. Just want a better load with more zip. I like the Win white box 230s.
At 6.2 gr I think I am at max. Is this common for W231?

Shooting a Glock G30s. Less than 200 rounds on it.
I am not a big fan of W231 in the service calibers, but I am a less big fan of 185gr bullets in 45 Auto. I prefer 200gr LSWC or 230gr Ball, pretty much Bullseye all the time.
 
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