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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by speedweapon, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. speedweapon

    speedweapon Gort

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    I reloaded some .45 ACP for my G21. I'm getting a lot of Fail to Feeds. Is it important to crimp the case after seating the bullet? Both my Storm Lake barrel and Glock factory barrel do the same thing, an occasional Fail to Feed.
     
  2. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Give us details on the load... maybe something there.

    You'll want to taper crimp .45 acp rounds. They headspace on the case mouth. Don't think of it as crimping as much as de-flaring. Just enough to remove any flare you put on the case to seat the bullet.

    The first things that come to mind with fail to feed would be too little powder charge or too long of an overall length. Again, tell us what the load is you're using.
     

  3. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    Also when you load them, take the barrel out of the gun and drop your newly loaded round in. See if it sits flush with the barrel hood. A little short is acceptable, a little longer than the barrel hood is not. Turn it over - does the round fall out freely? If not, you probably need a little more crimp.
     
  4. sdelam

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    details of the bullet and load would help, may be a OAL issue or the gun may not like that bullet. Can we assume you are using lead bullets since you are using an after market barrel?
     
  5. fredj338

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    ZS gives good aadvice. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS CRIMP your ammo, always. It's the only way to insure reliable feeding. The crimp is a taper crimp & removes any bell you put into the case mouth for bullet seating.
     
  6. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    If you're loading SWC you may have just discovered that they are not the favorite food of many Glocks... even with an aftermarket barrel.

    If you are using them your problem may go away by switching to a RN design.

    Jack
     
  7. speedweapon

    speedweapon Gort

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    Thanks......looks like I'll be crimping most of the day tomorrow.
     
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    When it fails, is the round lodged against the barrel hood or is the slide impinging on the middle of the case?

    The first problem might indicate a poor bullet choice, as already indicated, or an OAL that is too long.

    The second probably indicates that you aren't getting enough pressure. Recrimping can help but may not be the cure-all. (Posting the load would help us troubleshoot that one.)
     
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    Speed's post indicates he did NOT crimp at all. I have 6 diff 45acp, non will take a round that has been belled, bullet seated & then NOT crimped. The slide will refuse to go into battery. There is a misconception that the low pressure 45acp does NOT need crimping & that is just wrong for 99% of the guns out there.:dunno:
     
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    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    He said his failures were in a G21. I have an old 21 and a new 21sf and they both love swc and will run them all day long IF they are loaded properly. Until he is willing to give more very important info I wouldn't make a guess as to what the problem would be. Hopefully it's not a national secret.:wavey::faint:

    Don
     
  11. CanyonMan

    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    ZS and fred have both given good advice. I like the way ZS put it.. "de-flaring" I put a very tiny flare to my cases, so when seating the bullet I get a good fit, thus I do not have to put to much pressure on the "taper crimp" as the final step. Some guys during the "expansion process" open up the case mouth way to much, and then they have to place more pressure on the bullet when crimping. This is especially bad if you ever shoot plated bullets. So as they said. "crimp." It won't take much if you have'nt really flared the fool out of the brass during the flaring process.


    Good shooting



    CanyonMan
     
  12. Zombie Steve

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    I think I stole that line from Lizard, or Steve, but it helped me put some perspective on it. :embarassed:
     
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    CanyonMan In The Saddle

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    Stoled or not amigo, I like it ! ;)

    You and fred gave sound wisdom...


    Stay safe my friend !



    CM
     
  14. Maine1

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    use your barrel, or better yet..BUY A CASE GAUGE.
     
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    I use a Lee Carbide factory crimp die. $14.00 well spent for 45 ACP and 40 S&W.
     
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    They work ok, but nothing wrong w/ regular taper crimp dies. I've only loaded maybe 75K 45acp rounds successfully NOT using the LFCD.:upeyes:
     
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    Then hold your tongue until you have enough experience....




    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Yeah, I know. That is only 45acp though. Throw in another, maybe 75K 9mm, 40, 10mm, 357sig, they all work fine w/ std. taper crimp dies.:upeyes: Sometimes I think Lee came up with them just for Glock shooters that like to run their ammo hot. For them, there might be a slight advantage it getting rounds back to some kind of spec.:dunno:
     
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    Ok here are the specs.

    Rainier LeadSafe Bullets 45 Caliber (451 Diameter) 200 Grain Plated Semi-Wadcutter

    One dip of winchester 231 using a .7cc lee measuring spoon

    CCI large pistol primers

    Federal and Winchester brass

    Any thoughts as to where a problem may be? I have re-crimped a few and will head to the range (Tuckers Grade) tomorrow.
     
  20. FlyfishermanMike

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    Have you verified your powder charge with a scale? Mine has to be heaping full to get it to what Lee's table says.