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As some of you know of recent I have become quite intrigued with powder and trying to understand how to assess and apply the differences successfully. I'm searching for a soft, clean & accurate (45 acp) powder for target and a "gamer" load.

Hodgdon said the new WinClean 244 might have too much velocity for my needs however suggested to look at Clays, HP38 & W231.

I compared those only to find HP38 & W231 have the exact same stats, exactly! Why? Some on forum chatter says they are the same powder. Another said they are the same powder but HP 38 meters better. How can one meter better if they are indeed the same powder?

Are they really the same powder marketed with different labels?

And Clays requires less of a charge and has a higher pressure rating, indicating it burns faster?

And he77, speaking of pressure ratings, there are two (cup & psi) of which apparently there is not a formula to convert and compare them to each other.

I suppose many go through this in the early years of reloading, if so what helped most in your learning curve to get you over the hump? It can't be as difficult as it seems...

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Thanks to all! I should have mentioned this will be used for loads in a G30 which as I'm sure you know is a pretty short (3.77") barrel in case this changes anyone's mind..?
 

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12/16/1941. Started life as a Slat Grill, re-manufactured at Karlsfeld Ordnance Depot (Germany) in 1950. Transferred to Greek Army and re-manufactured in 1967. The Greek Army mothballed it it until surplussed in 1982.

When I bought it in 2006 the odometer read 250 miles with a note (in Greek) to change engine break-in oil at 300 miles.

It is a fine unrestored piece of history!

This is the LONG answer!

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230g RN SNS coated bullet, 4.3g WST 1.25" COL.
200 SWC SNS coated bullet 4.8g WST 1.25" COL.
I bought a 1948 Willys in 1969 for $300and restored it. Wish I had kept it!
Thanks for the info brother!
 

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Its plenty stable but it is a bit inverse temp sensitive. So if you work up a load for min pf at say 50deg. Pressure & vel will drop enough to be an issue at 95deg, 20-25fps or so.
WeeWilly made this point also however my question is - are you speaking of the temp of where the rounds are built (reloading room) vs: where shot (range or competition) or where test loads are chrono'd vs: where actual loads shot (range or competition) ?
Geez, hope this makes sense...
 

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No, reloading room temp means nothing. Your ammo temp at time of shooting. Cold days vs hot days. It's only at the extremes but is there. Most powder show some temp sensitivity, but it is lower pressures/vel as it gets colder. Even elevation & barometric pressures affect vel & pressures.
Thanks for clarifying fred!
 

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When I found out about WST issues, I tested on a normal temp day, about 75deg. I left ammo in direct sun for 30m & had rounds in a 40deg cooler. Shot them over the chrono & you can see the variation, about 20fps with each temp range, 40-75-105+.
Will be interesting to see how the new 244 will compare across the board...
 

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Many rule changes ago, the moonclipped 45’s played in the same division (there was only one) as all other revolvers. The Mr. Gamey Gamerton load we used for them was a 230 pushed by 2.8 gn of Clays. Gave a blistering 550 fps, you could actually see the bullet on its way to the target, to meet the division required 125 PF.[/QUOTE

Lol! I have actually seen that at a few matches, it's pretty funny seeing a single shot and waiting for it to hit!
I'm looking at needing 761 fps to reach 175 pf. It's possible I could back off slightly due to the coated bullets however will have to wait and see what Mr Chrono says...
Cheers brother!
 
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