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As some of you know of recent I have become quite intrigued with powder and trying to understand how to assess and apply the differences successfully. I'm searching for a soft, clean & accurate (45 acp) powder for target and a "gamer" load.

Hodgdon said the new WinClean 244 might have too much velocity for my needs however suggested to look at Clays, HP38 & W231.

I compared those only to find HP38 & W231 have the exact same stats, exactly! Why? Some on forum chatter says they are the same powder. Another said they are the same powder but HP 38 meters better. How can one meter better if they are indeed the same powder?

Are they really the same powder marketed with different labels?

And Clays requires less of a charge and has a higher pressure rating, indicating it burns faster?

And he77, speaking of pressure ratings, there are two (cup & psi) of which apparently there is not a formula to convert and compare them to each other.

I suppose many go through this in the early years of reloading, if so what helped most in your learning curve to get you over the hump? It can't be as difficult as it seems...

Looking for the light...
 

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Certainly Clays, but after testing more than 8 diff powders for soft 45 loads that make 170pf, I have gone back to WST.
 

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HP38 and W231 are the exact same powder. Hodgdon packages both from the same lots.

WST is stable, but is reverse temp sensitive, that is, higher pressure at lower ammo temps, but those are in the extreme.

Clays is very fast and the load density very small, hence a very clean burning option.
 

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I have to vote for WST. I got the recipe for WST from Fred and have shot a couple thousand rounds of 230 gr and 200 gr FMj’s and coated lead bullets with this powder. Clean, accurate, soft shooting, and meters well. It is a lighter sort of grey color so it is easy to see in the cases, what’s not to like. Only thing it needed for this to be the perfect powder for .45 would be if it grew on the trees in my backyard.
 

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Thanks to all! I should have mentioned this will be used for loads in a G30 which as I'm sure you know is a pretty short (3.77") barrel in case this changes anyone's mind..?
 

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Thanks to all! I should have mentioned this will be used for loads in a G30 which as I'm sure you know is a pretty short (3.77") barrel in case this changes anyone's mind..?
That is what I use in GSSF for two divisions.
 
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Thx fred. Is there anything to the rumour of it's lack of stability?
Its plenty stable but it is a bit inverse temp sensitive. So if you work up a load for min pf at say 50deg. Pressure & vel will drop enough to be an issue at 95deg, 20-25fps or so.
 
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3 for me:
Bullseye
WST
VV N310
Which is best is determined by the phase of the moon, the zodiac sign or who knows what.
I have won with all three.
 

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5.0gr WST w/200 LSWC
900fps, 5" barrel
This runs at approx 180,000 power factor. But it can handle anything you throw at it regardless of the situation.
 
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