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.40 S&W Gold Dot 165gr Fail To Expand

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by linuxi, Feb 22, 2012.

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  1. linuxi

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    Is this a common problem for 165gr Gold Dot only? I have not yet hear anything like that in the 180gr or 155gr Gold Dots.
     
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    Need more facts...lots of variables...what was it shot into?
     

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    Jugs of water.
     
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    So you found an unexpanded bullet in a water jug?
     
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    Actually, my friend did. He found 2 after 5 shots.
     
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    It's almost unheard of for a JHP to not expand at all when shot into water only. The 165gr Gold Dot seems to favor penetration over expansion. Maybe too much so. Usually going lighter than "heaviest for caliber" gives you a bigger cavity at the expense of penetration but in this case that is not so.

    http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7U9mBQQWk"]Speer Gold Dot .40 S&W 165 gr JHP test with denim - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I've seen that video too. But mine serial# is 53970, it's a more powerful one compare to the one in the video which serial# is 53949.

    Does anyone experience something similar with 53970 or 23970 Gold Dots?
     
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    I didn't realize the 165gr Gold Dot was available in two velocities. Interesting. 100 fps is a big difference. 20% more muzzle energy.
     
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    At various LE demo shoots over the years I have seen pretty much every brand of every caliber and every bullet weight not expand at one time or the other.

    Its not really worth worrying about. No mfg guarantees 100% perfection.
     
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    Oh no, not common sense and experience?
    We just can't have that - LOL!
     
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    So he fired 5 shots into the same jugs?

    53970 - 50rd box
    23970 - 20rd box

    Notice the difference in first number only.

    The 53949 may be an FBI load or some other load requested by a LEA.(or vice versa) Most of the official tests I've seen on that round were out of a G22 or "full size" gun.
     
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    No, different jugs on one day. :supergrin:
     
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    What hotpig said.............I have seen not everything, but some good and some suprizes at the range.
     
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    The 165 Gold Dot's are my carry load. Every time I've tested them in the same fashion, I've never had one fail to expand.

    As another poster said, no bullet will ever be 100% reliable. There has been enough scientific testing of this load as well as real world feed back on it that was positive. I have no issue with carrying this load and in my opinion, it's one of the best modern loads for the .40 S&W.

    The older 165 Gold Dot load that were what Mas used to refer to as the, "-P" loads weren't known for their performance. The newer stuff that develops around 1,150 fps from a 4" barrel is good stuff and is what I have my 229 Sig loaded with always!
     
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    But a certain firearm manufacturer strongly implies, "Perfection."
    :cool:
     
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    Yeah, well they lie like a rug. :upeyes:


    Folks, there is a reason the .40S&W is known as "the short & weak". :tongueout:


    Just teasing - couldn't resist.:embarassed:


    handguns suck as defensive arms. Most all of them. That a bullet occasionally fails to perform up to expectation should not come as a surprise. That is why we all train "failure to stop" drills. :wavey:
     
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    You realize that it would take 10 jugs or more to stop an unexpanted bullet and that keeping it going straight through ten jugs is just about impossible?
     
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    Have to agree T, something isn't right. It takes 3-5 1gal water filled jugs to stop most expanding pistol bullets & solids barely slow down thru all 5.:dunno: Anyway, anything can happen when it comes to expanding bullets. One reason I still love the 45acp, it never gets any smaller.:rock:
     
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    Perhaps it was poor quality water...
     
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