3rd Precinct in Minneapolis Taken Over By Rioters

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  1. James Dean

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    So Glad I live where I live. We don't have riots. Anyone who burns down their own city deserves to live in whats left. Put some hard work into building a community and a business and have some pride in yourself.
     
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  2. Dave514

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    I thought that highlighting the dichotomy would illustrate how dumb I think the idea that one can't use deadly force to protect property is.
     

  3. nikerret

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    I don’t have direct knowledge about this particular precinct, but here’s what likely was abandoned to the rioters:

    Evidence of crimes
    Personnel files and records of witnesses and cooperating individuals
    Citizens’ personal information
    Child porn
    Drugs
    Weapons, evidence and whatever was left behind
    Tactical gear
    Personal items of LEO’s and staff, including their family info
    Computers with a wide array of sensitive information

    This wasn’t a clandestine CIA house with siege protocols and the means to destroy what is necessary. It was a police station designed to safely and effectively hold the citizens’ secrets.
     
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  4. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    Indeed, not just fortunate but just plain common sense. If the police had a duty to retreat before employing deadly force there wouldn't be much point in the showing up in the first place.
     
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  5. Dave514

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    There isn't much point in showing up if property shouldn't be defended with deadly force.

    The greater point being that anyone should be allowed to stand their ground and defend their property.
     
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    BS..

    I explain this to my daughter who posted the same post last night…

    for some reason, Facebook won’t allow me to copy so I took a screenshot of my reply to her.

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  7. Tony Rumore

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    I can't imagine a Class 3 dealer, just walking away and letting a bunch of thugs take some belt-fed machine guns and belted ammo out of their shop.

    Tony
     
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  8. nikerret

    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    Separate issue. The pawn shop is not the same as a police station. See my above posts for a list of reasons why. Now, add the lives of the LEO’s who were there and you aren’t talking about the same thing, at all.

    Sidebar: The pawnshop owner was arrested. He may be cleared. To my knowledge, he has not plead guilty or been found guilty. It’s very possible he was in fear for his life.
     
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  9. Dave514

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    A police officer at the pawnshop would be allowed to protect the property with deadly force.

    Again, it's about the line and it isn't really about the moral nature of private property protection with deadly force.

    It's either morally right or it isn't.
     
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    No one should be required to back down from an unlawful threat.

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    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    I don’t understand this post. Will you expound?
     
  12. Dave514

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    It is either right or wrong to be able to protect private property with deadly force. Some states seem to think it is only right if LE is doing it. I'm pointing out the contradictory nature of this as a moral premise. I am of the opinion that everyone has a right to protect their property with deadly force.
     
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    nikerret Mr. Awesome

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    It’s still a separate issue. However, the police station isn’t private property and we aren’t talking replaceable merchandise.

    This incident does highlight the need for good voting and making sure laws follow right and wrong versus emotional knee-jerks.
     
  14. Dave514

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    The property isn't really the key. That's why I said...
    A police officer at the pawnshop would be allowed to protect the property with deadly force.

    Maybe a more obvious example would be if I said that the law (hypothetically) states that I may not protect my life with deadly force but LE may protect my life with deadly force. It's either right to be able to defend a life with that level of force or it isn't. That contradictory problem exists as it pertains to property.
     
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    I don't know about MN, but ALL the pawn shops around me have firearms. It would be unreasonable for an owner to just walk away and allow it to be looted.
     
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    It is wrong for both the public AND the police to protect private property with deadly force. Please show me where within both the Graham and Tennessee cases where it states that police can use deadly force to protect property. You continue to state the police can and I’ll call bull**** on your claim. Deadly force to protect property does not meet the three prong test.


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    Taking down a precinct is new to me. They are one upping the LA rioters.
     
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    Well I don't know all the rules for all the states so maybe police can't use deadly force to protect property. I'm aware of states that allow citizens to. We have a law in KY saying you can use deadly force against someone committing arson on your property. Texas will just let you straight up defend personal property.
    https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm

    Maybe LE can't defend personal property with lethal force. That would make it rather pointless to dial 911 over the matter. Maybe just to arrest the arsonist after their done or hope they can taze them in time?

    I'll leave it to you to debate with the rest of LE here on whether they have the right to defend property with lethal force.
     
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    This proves we need stand your ground laws in every state.
     
  20. bdcochran

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    It appears that all you guys want to do is to find a reason to argue. This is the same discussion that comes repeatedly in Glocktalk. Nothing new here. Move on.
     
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