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I have to respectfully disagree. Bush was NEVER going to win. Perot, or no Perot. The Republicans had already had 12 years, they were not getting 16. I wish they had, but it wasn't going to happen.
It looks to me that Bush had a very good chance to win if Perot had not been running. It all depends on how Perot supporters would have voted if he had not been in the race.

538 members of the Electoral College
270 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout
55.2%[1]
5.0 pp

Nominee Bill Clinton George H. W. Bush Ross Perot
Party Democratic Republican Independent
Home state Arkansas Texas Texas
Running mate Al Gore Dan Quayle James Stockdale
Electoral vote 370 168 0
States carried 32 + DC 18 0
Popular vote 44,909,889 39,104,550 19,743,821
Percentage 43.0% 37.4% 18.9%


Presidential election results map. Blue denotes states won by Clinton/Gore and red denotes those won by Bush/Quayle. Numbers indicate electoral votes cast by each state and the District of Columbia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election
 

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I view the 3rd party voters on either side as saying “I want to celebrate all the positives of the next four to eight years with everyone else but then step aside and blame others for the negatives.” It’s a cop-out, saying the choice is too hard or both candidates are too imperfect so that voter doesn’t want to be burdened with the decision. So 160 million-plus other voters can shoulder responsibility for it without them.

Then they can ride along for the good times then hop off the ride and point at whoever stepped up and made the choice during the rough patches.

I was a Cruz guy but he didn’t win, so I was left with Trump or Hillary. I made my choice. When Trump has his rough patches I own it. When he does good things like nominating someone likely to help cement 2a for another generation, locking in a 6-3 court, I celebrate and brag.

And I also inwardly flip a middle finger to the 3d party voters who want to celebrate with me though they were the first to point out they didn’t vote for the guy last time he stuck his foot in his mouth.

I consider it my Civic duty to make a decision and be heard in this scenario. If the choices are bad that’s a primary issue. But I’m not gonna fold my arms and pout and waste my General Election vote waiting for the perfect GOP candidate while the left targets everything we hold dear with every ounce of strength they can muster.
Fantastic post!
 

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As a habitual third party voter in the past, I have to agree with the OP. The concequences are too dire for anyone remotely conservative to allow a Biden/Harris presidency, and the diaster for liberty and economy that would result.

When it was useless establishment candidate vs useless establishment candidate, like Obama vs McRomney a protest vote to try to get more traction for a third party made more sense (funny fact, in my little neck of rural western AK just about everyone I knew voted third party instead of either Romney OR Obama, libs, consivertaives, whatever, nobody liked those two bums).

I'll admit I didn't vote for Trump, because I was still scared he was just pulling a fast one on America and was gonna flip flop as soon as he was inaugurated. I was very, very, wrong and happy to be so. Sure I don't like some of the things he does but policy wise he's been spot on, apart from spending like crazy, which I am not happy with. Oh and the bump stocks thing.

Still, he's had my enthusiastic vote for se time now and I hope, regardless of what happens in a few weeks, the GOP learns their lessons and runs candidates that appeal to actual conservatives in the future, and not just centrist establishment swamp rats who are indistinguishable from their left-more leaning opponents.
 

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Normally I would agree with you but our Governor has to go and I'm not voting for the lunatic Democrat. I just voted for a Libertarian for the fist time in my life.

Rainwater was the only one in the race I could vote for in good conscience.

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Happyguy :)
I know, I know, but its still like spitting into the wind.
 

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My wife says the same thing.

But I always figured our country was based on free elections and a lot of sacrifices were made by people to keep our republic in tact.

So I think if for some reason someone cannot or will not vote R or D its still important to vote.
I guess it helps make a statement about how useless or counterproductive it is to vote third-party, so there's that.

1992:
"Oh, look, 19 million conservatives voted for an independent candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Bill Clinton President of the United States by a 5 million vote margin."

1994:
We are banning 'assault weapons' and magazines that hold over 10 rounds - thanks third-party-voting conservatives. You really made a statement." - Pres. Bill Clinton.

2019, Kentucky:
"Oh, look, 28,000 conservatives voted for the Libertarian candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Andy Beshear Governor by a 5 thousand vote margin."

2020, Kentucky:
"Sorry, we can't afford to let you reopen your school, church or business until te election is over and a Democrat is elected President. Instead, we will be manufacturing statistics to show a record number of COVID cases and deaths every day until November 3rd." Gov. Andy.
 
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I guess it helps make a statement about how useless or counterproductive it is to vote third-party, so there's that.

1992:
"Oh, look, 19 million conservatives voted for an independent candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Bill Clinton President of the United States by a 5 million vote margin."

1994:
We are banning 'assault weapons' and magazines that hold over 10 rounds - thanks third-party-voting conservatives. You really made a statement." - Pres. Bill Clinton.

2019, Kentucky:
"Oh, look, 28,000 conservatives voted for the Libertarian candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Andy Beshear Governor by a 5 thousand vote margin."

2020, Kentucky:
"Sorry, we can't afford to let you reopen your school, church or business until te election is over and a Democrat is elected President. Instead, we will be manufacturing statistics to show a record number of COVID cases and deaths every day until November 3rd." Gov. Andy.

I suppose the Republicans could keep those Conservatives from voting third party by running good candidates...

Might even get some third party votes to help out ;)
 

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I suppose the Republicans could keep those Conservatives from voting third party by running good candidates...
Yes, they could, if Republican voters would agree.

That doesn't justify helping to elect the candidate who is most against your values, just because the candidate closest to you wasn't your dream-candidate.

 
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Yes, they could, if Republican voters would agree.

That doesn't justify helping to elect the candidate who is most against your values, just because the candidate closest to you wasn't your dream-candidate.


I believe the lesson should be "elections have consequences". It sure seems like we never learn from it however.
 

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Guys like you put Bill Clinton in the White House.
You're Welcome. I bet you also increased your donations to the NRA the minute you heard about Waynes spending problems? As far as voting 3rd Party,If all of us"Real Republicans" voted 3rd Party guess what? We wouldn't have the Rino's and TRAITORS like Bush,McCain,and Romney,and Lindsay Gramnesty would we? I wanted to vote for Mr. Trump the first time he ran as an Independent but then he dropped out knowing not enough Republicans would vote for him to win. Guess he took the advice to run on the Republican Ticket second time around. Sad he had to do it but then again a win for us Conservatives. Only problem is the so called leaders in the Republican Party are also against him. I guess you have to be on the inside to make any changes.Maybe on this next election the Democrats and the Rino's will get their wish and the Democrats will be totally in charge. Things will go back to the way it used to be and our country will finish going down the toilet thanks to the Democrats and the Rino's...not the 3rd party voters!
 

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Honestly voteing the Green Party, Libreritian Party Canidate is a mistake IMHO. Your are throw you vote in a direction where it will not effect the outcome of any major election. Third party canidate have no chance of winning,

IMHO it is better to Vote again the worst of the two major political candidates, then voting for some person who can not win.

A vote for Joe Biden in a vote for more Taxes, Green New Deal, Socialism, progressive ideas.

A vote for Donald Trump is a Vote to save them American way of life, Keeping America Great, Safe, Job, Strong Stock Market, protecting your Retirement 401, IRA, Change for the better.

It's your vote to case just cast it for what you want.
 

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1992:
"Oh, look, 19 million conservatives voted for an independent candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Bill Clinton President of the United States by a 5 million vote margin."

1994:
We are banning 'assault weapons' and magazines that hold over 10 rounds - thanks third-party-voting conservatives. You really made a statement." - Pres. Bill Clinton.

2019, Kentucky:
"Oh, look, 28,000 conservatives voted for the Libertarian candidate - that's the biggest third-party vote ever. Awesome! They just elected Andy Beshear Governor by a 5 thousand vote margin."

2020, Kentucky:
"Sorry, we can't afford to let you reopen your school, church or business until te election is over and a Democrat is elected President. Instead, we will be manufacturing statistics to show a record number of COVID cases and deaths every day until November 3rd." Gov. Andy.
I was mainly talking about duty as a citizen to vote. Peoples whose choice is to vote 3rd party or to not vote at all are not really helping or hurting Rs or Ds since they weren’t getting there vote anyway.

And is it really the 3rd party voters or the politicians that are not addressing their issues fault? They have every opportunity to bring the 3rd partiers over to there side.
 
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