My roomate told me about this forum, so I decided to check it out. I picked up a brand new G17 + 3 mags for $398 (429 after tax) a few weeks back. I would have to say that a gen3 Glock brand new in box + 3 mags for under $450 is about the best gun for your dollar you can get. G21 is next on my list. I am anxiously following the gen4 G22/23 to see if the .40 issues have been addressed. Can't beat the ability to have a 9mm, 40S&W and a .45 Glock for the price of a 1911. I don't think there's anything even as close to a Glock that isn't at least 2 or 3x the price.