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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by glock20c10mm, Jan 15, 2010.
Its still a fmj rail, what is this power thing. Energy dump, we back to that nonsense.
I'm only posting to push this amazing thread closer to #2000.
I've been shooting 357 SIG since 1998 and it's one of my favorite calibers.
I like it too,carry it too, but unbelievable manstopper, uh no.
LOL..... I was describing the relative barrier penetration of service calibers with FMJ rounds. Again if the FMJ doesn't make it through a barrier it's usefulness is...... ZERO,......if a FMJ with more energy makes it through a barrier it is 100% better than ZERO. If in fact a FMJ hits the heart or CNS after defeating a barrier it will in fact be much better than the useless weaker round still stuck in the barrier.
And I see you have learned to keep your posts short and simple, it just works best here.
I'll contribute. Counting the days until we hit that number.
The only two self-defense calibers I own are 9mm and .357sig. I don't really care to jump into the ballistics fray so maybe I can explain it differently.
For me, the two calibers are analogous to big brother/little brother scenarios. Older brother is bigger, stronger, and very capable. Little brother has just as much heart and capability.
Strength is comparable at their given size. Both are winners.
I have guns in all 4 service calibers but the 357 Sig and .40 are my two main SD calibers. I like the reliability and ease of the barrel swaps between these two calibers.
Also thank you for a logical unbiased post, we need more like you on this thread.
And .357 sig is available for purchase right now.
Not fudd reloads, not fmj, honest to goodness JHPs, cheaper than the
9x19 weak in many instances!
Also I can still buy 357 Sig SD rounds off the shelf at a LGS.
Yes as proponents of .40 and .357 Sig often have stated, availability in a drought is a big consideration. And look what has come to pass...6 months ago the idea of concentrating funds toward anything but 9mm chambered firearms was by many considered laughable, or at least questionable. Now suddenly no one can source quality 9mm ammo reasonably.
But .357 Sig is in stock, even HST, Speer GD and others. And currently priced less than comparable 9mm (when it can be found).
.40 S&W is harder to find but certainly not as scarce as 9mm right now.
Also remember the libs have labeled the 9mm as "a military caliber" which could result in it being banned from civilian use if they get power.
I think without the context the conversation is meaningless. Better than a 38LRN, yes. Better than the latest, greatest 9mm magic bullet Maybe, maybe not.
Well maybe unbelievable means something else to some. Consider gunfight stats, unbelievable doesnt apply to any service round. How about slightly better. I would expecr unbelievable to be like 90% & not even rifles make 90%. That is my context. Not a gel porn video or exploding water jugs.
I'm bored, so why not help out with such an admirable goal?
As far as full metal jacket rounds go when shooting human beings, I agree with Fred that there is not much of a difference. The fmj rounds will not expand, and will "zip through" a human subject.
The advantage with fmj rounds is when shooting large critters. The .357 will penetrate a large animal deeper, possibly reaching a vital organ / penetration of bone, etc.
JHP rounds are a different story. But we've been though this part before.
Edit: A really hot loaded Sig .357 fmj (may) upset a bit more than a 9mm round when striking flesh and bone. There (could) be a slight advantage here.
Does this count?
Playin one day.
I blew two holes through this piece of plate hardened steel off an old junk jeep out on the ranch in the 'junk pit' that was part of the chassis... G17 124gr FMJ.
The two 'smaller bumps' were from a 357sig!!!
Just jokin. Actually, the two small bumps were from a 22mag out of an NAA little 1 5/8" barrel.
The 2 holes were from the G17 9mm 124gr FMJ though!
What all does this prove?
You should do some ballistics testing on 357 sig out of a 16" carbine.
Your videos are what got me into this cartridge. Thank you!