Fred, with all due respect you are trying to prove an un-provable opinion. The 38 special was not, is not and will never be as effective as the 357 magnum. It has to do with the fact that the 357 has 2X the energy. We may not be able to quantify what that energy does, but to totally discount it is wrong. I am not gonna run a 357 mag LRN, that is ludicrous. To be objective you must use the same bullet, that is why the 38/357 comparison is so valid, compare the same bullet only change velocity. You have resorted to silly arguments. On the street the 380 ACP seems to work as good a 38 snubbies, at least what I saw. Why Stacy stayed in the fight? Easy, there are no magic bullets and one shot stop is a metric of measurement, not a tactic. Same reason Platte stayed in the fight as long as he did with a non survivable wound. Had Stacy's roommate not came to here aid, she probably would have died.