357SIG proving to be an unbelievable manstopper???

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  1. Railsplitter

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    I saw a recent university study that labeled any caliber larger than a .32 as a "large dangerous" caliber being responsible for most handgun deaths. Want to guess where that's headed.
     
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    "Like a brick through a plate glass window" ... (As long as it's Hollywood FX "glass") ...
     
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    Other countries ban military calibers. Recently Biden said the 9mm should be banned. It would, along with 10rd mags, would change the way we all shoot. Regardless of where you live, the election coming up is important. Vote wisely.
     
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    Understanding that the 9mm is on the Dims hit list might be enough to wake up American gun owners who might not have recognized the reality of the threat. Not to mention ammo rationing.
     
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    IMO, if you are a Dem & own a gun, you should really look hard in the mirror. You can't be a Liberal Dem & be pro-gun, you are voting against your rights in every election. Same for being a Catholic & pro-abortion. They dichotomy just doesn't work. Pick a side & support that.
     
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    FOr those of us that are old enough to remember the days of the cry from the left to ban "Saturday night specials", the Glock & 9mm have become the new latest thing the left is going after once they get the eveil "assault weapons" off the streets. Why IMO, no such things as bad guns & ALL gun owners need to get behind that thought. At some point they will come after your bolt action "sniper rifle" or your overly powerful 44mag, 45mag, 50mags.
     
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    .22 kill a lot of people.
    One I worked went in the armpit just above the vest.

    I like the .357 Sig.
    Like the 10 mm better.
    But all are still hand guns.

    :)
     
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    Can you imagine what it might look like if the gel block was just hit by a baseball bat?

    Or just shoved really fast?
     
  10. Mayhem like Me

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    yep a lot more KE in a BB bat hitting it.
     
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    Different effect, that's for sure.

    I used to put up some well-abused bowling pins for some of the people to shoot, and watched their surprise and dismay when a pin was hit by some "high powered" handgun or rifle. You could slap or kick a pin and knock it father, faster. I reminded them that shooting "things" doesn't necessarily portray what happens when actual living anatomy is wounded ... and that the placement of the wounding effect in the target anatomy can have a lot of influence.

    Dwell time, size of the impact area and focus (incl. depth) have a lot to do with how "horsepower"/KE causes an effect on an inanimate medium, as well as the nature of the medium.

    Jumping gel blocks looks cool, but it's not exactly a representation of how someone is going to be yanked off their feet like if an actor is hooked up to a hydraulic cable harness for FX in a TV show or Movie.
     
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    I don't recall anyone ever claiming that the 357 Sig would "yank" someone off their feet as if lifted by a hydraulic cable fitted to a stunt man harness.

    The purpose of gel tests is to measure the..... "relative performance" of different calibers and ammo types. Apples to apples.
     
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    An oldie but a goodie, thanks for posting.
     
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    Yes, I would agree.
     
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    That's where a RPG comes into play .
     
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    Good Morning All, Please REMEMBER, the Human Body can absorb an amazing amount of damage, & remain active & dangerous for a varying period of time, depending upon the individual in question.

    So far, the ONLY 3 RELIABLE means of incapacitation are; 1) CNS damage / disruption 2) Damage to the the body's 'load bearing' skeletal structure. At least allowing you to immobilized him, & lastly 3) Exsanguination, = loss of blood pressure due to bleeding out. That's pretty much the 'Holy Trio', at least until they develop something more effective. Personally, I'm led to suspect that some calibers tend to accomplish incapacitation a bit more rapidly than some others, primarily when, & if you're relying on method # 3, as IMHO, the larger the crush cavity, the more rapidly subject will loose blood.

    HOWEVER, as in everything else in life, there is ALWAYS a trade off ! If you can't strike your target, then everything is irrelevant. The MORAL here is, Shoot what you're most accurate with & can control.

    And Ohh, just for the record, I personally love the .357 SIG caliber ! And, so did the numerous U.S. Federal Agencies for a decade or so it served them quite well. My opinion as to why they remained with it for 10+ years is, both USSS & FAM SA's are both trained over & well above the average Law Enforcement Officer. As we all know, more range time = better shooters, period !

    Unfortunately though, times are changing, the overall demographics of prospective L.E. hires have changed, & Agency budgets are often a source of scrutiny, along with a few other factors. All of which have combined to cause a review & then revamping of Agency policies. Is it progress ? I' prefer to leave that up to the reader, for everyone has their own personal opinion.

    Best, dpast32
     
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    WOW! I can't believe the long drawn out comments concerning this round! I think I will stay with my 9mm, .380 and 38 special but from what I have read here, it seems like a viable round for EDC!
     
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    Yet it has failed as has everything else in the caliber spectrum 12ga buck & slugs & rifle rounds too. A 10# gel block is not a 175# muscle & bone target with a nervous system. Too many that have never shot a living thing are in awe when seeing gel porn or gal jugs of water explode. It just doesn't work like that when your target mass is north of 175#.
     
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    "Relative performance" being penetration & expansion of the JHP (essentially the gel block acting on the bullet), and theorizing about the possible PWC in a nonhomogeneous anatomical medium based upon observing gel fractures in the homogeneous medium. Best we've got, though.

    The "jumping gel blocks" distraction could be eliminated if "life-size" (and weight) gel molds were used, but what a pain (and waste) it would be to mix and cast and then keep them refrigerated. :)

    Probably why the 72+lb synthetic "gel" torsos don't jump off the table when used. ;)

    Oh yeah, I never claimed you stated that the .355 bullet used in the .357SIG would yank someone off their feet if suffering a GSW. (Nor even from the hotter offerings of the .357MAG & .44MAG that I used to favor as a young handloading enthusiast.) Well, not unless they were caught off balance and fell. ;)
     
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    Yes observing the different performances characteristics, no matter the gel size it's all relative to the rounds tested.