357 Sig Pros and Cons

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  1. fredj338

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    Starline new, $162/1000. So $150/1000 for once fired, not really a deal like other service caliber brass.
     
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    That sounds like a great deal, though I think you meant $150 for 1,000.
     

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    Yeah, probably never use 10,000!
     
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    I'm sure I've bought 3X that over the years of 9x21 and .38 super, but I also remember it being a lot less money too. I'm grateful for major 9mm.
     
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    For competition, you bet. The 10mm for me is a specialty round, not unlike my magnum rev. 1000rds of new brass would last me quite awhile.
     
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    Ok so 66000/3300 is 50 bucks for 1000 plus shipping. I think I paid 52 bucks shipped for 1000 pieces of polished once fired from precision delta. So I guess I got a pretty good deal.
     
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    Agreed. IMO Shot placement is key with any caliber
     
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    I didn't see this until it was quoted by another member. I must've breezed right by it the first time.

    Anyway, I hear this a lot. It was actually mentioned by someone in my SIG pistol armorer (classic) class.

    The instructor explained that while the pressures were roughly similar in the calibers, it was the rate at which the .357SIG cartridge reached peak pressure that created more stress on the guns.

    One of the things he warned us to watch for, comparing the 229's in both .40 & .357, was that the harder forces acting on the .357 guns resulting in the barrel's feedramp slamming down harder against the frame insert in the .357 guns, than in the .40 guns. He told us that this could sometimes cause outward peening to occur on each side of the feedramp, which wasn't something usually seen in the .40's (because of the comparatively lesser force generate during cycling in the .40's). This was in a gun specifically made to withstand the force of the 357.SIG, too.
     
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    There probably was a breakdown in communications. The rate pressure builds would be the same, or perhaps slightly slower with 357 SIG depending on the powder used (many 357 SIG loading use some of the slower burn rate pistol powders).

    The rest of the information he provided makes sense, as wear and tear tends to come with higher ME.
     
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    Once you reach the point that the ringing never stops, its too late. My ears have been ringing non-stop for 30 years. Your brain eventually accommodates, and I will go for long stretches without obsessing about it, but its always there. But I never hear actual silence anymore. If I could time travel, protecting my hearing would be one of many things I would redo. Something you guys in your 20's and 30's may want to consider.
     
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    I have been shooting my G32 2nd Gen for a very long time I lost some my hearing from jet turbines and a lifetime of shooting, hearing protectors worn all I can and could, I live with it, wear and tear on my pistols well that's what I hope to live long enough to do it wear them out, my 357 never missed a lick, I know of 2 weekends I shot a case 1000 rounds of Gold Dots and Ranger T's through it each weekend, I am not worried about it if it breaks I will replace it hate to say but doubt I could ever find another 2nd Gen, might go with a Sig, never gave a thought to any special kind of lubes either, I clean it monthly or sooner if out in bad weather and just use it like it was made to be used. It was soaked this am from the fog and mist so it will get a cleaning Monday. I only have 1 safe queen and it does get shot some just not as much as it used to, my dad's Swenson 1911.
     
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    Whether he misunderstood what he'd been told while working for SIG or not, he was quite clear on the increased forces acting on the .357 guns probably causing faster wear, and some wear not necessarily observed in .40's, such as the peening of the feed ramp, which might eventually cause some outward bowing of the sides of the feed ramp (due to the bottom of the fed ramp hitting the frame insert harder than in the .40's).

    Sending you a PM, BTW.
     
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    Understand, the higher Muzzle Energy will definitely increase slide velocities and all the reciprocating forces which has to wear things out faster.

    On the pressure thing, 357 SIG can be loaded pretty high pressure wise, higher than 10mm, 40, +P 9mm, etc., but the pressure curve is pretty constant, depending on the burn rate of the powder. Ironically, target loads tend to be some of the fastest to peak pressure rounds. The higher the ultimate velocity goal, generally, the slower the powders employed.
     
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    So, reloaders; what's a fair price for 100 rounds of once-fired 9mm and once-fired .357sig casings?

    I seriously considered learning to reload at one time so picked up all the casings I shot and separated them into 100-count bags according to the manufacturer.

    Are there any brands that are considered "premium", say, Starline, Speer, etc., ... or whether it's brass or nickel plated?

    I've got about 1,500 9mm and about half that number of .357sig casings I'd like to sell but don't have a clear idea of what they're worth. None have seen any kind of refurbishing other than having been picked up off the ground and stored in ziplock bags.
     
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    This is your competition.
    https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/brass.html

    I got 1K 357Sig once fired brass. All Speer, all clean for $52. That's $5.20/hundred. I think shipping was free. 9mm should be less.

    I have also used Leobrass for 45GAP. http://leobrass.com/brass/product_i...id=39&osCsid=d0235756e6a1d3996db62eec42eada4c

    Their 9mm is currently about $3.50/hundred plus shipping.
     
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    It's on it's way to becoming a boutique caliber.

    Too much muzzle blast for practical civilian use.
     
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    It was an abandoned farm house in rural PA on the 4th July. Stupid move but learned a lesson. I suppose in a life or death situation adrenaline would cause auditory exclusion. Couldn't even fathom an AR going off indoors.

    Hearing was gone long ago from loud factories, high power rock concerts (Thanks Ted) and shooting.
     
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    Don't tell that to the Secret Service they like the 357 Sig and now they have a real president to protect.
     
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