bought a box of hornady 180gr hp xtp. also bought a box of sierra 180gr fpj. I wanted a little more punch then a 158gr bullet so i got these and have worked up a load for my ruger. 12.5 gr 2400 with a col of 1.58 and a mag primer. recoil is about the same as factory loads in 158gr, accuracy is good as well. chrono is around 1050 fps i will be testing penetration and expansion as well when weather permits. My question is has anyone else used 180gr in a pistol (not a tc) and what do you think of them?