3 Seattle bus tunnel guards watch brutal beating

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  1. Smashy

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    Feb 10, 2010 (9:26p CST)
    By GENE JOHNSON (Associated Press Writer)

    SEATTLE - A 15-year-old girl who was badly beaten and robbed in a Seattle bus tunnel as three unarmed security guards looked on told investigators that she thought the men would protect her.

    The statements were revealed in court papers filed Wednesday against the teen girl accused of attacking her and the three young men accused of stealing her purse, phone and iPod. The four were all charged with first-degree robbery.

    The victim told a King County sheriff's detective that the group followed her from a nearby department store into the bus tunnel at Westlake Station on Jan. 28, and she deliberately stood next to the three guards.

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    The guards didn't intervene, though. They have standing orders to "observe and report," so they called police but did nothing else as another 15-year-old girl punched and repeatedly kicked the victim in the head.

    Government officials as well as executives at Olympic Security Services Inc., which employs the guards, are reviewing that protocol after the guards' response was caught on surveillance video.

    "I went to the security and told them that these kids were trying to jump me," the girl said. "I know that I am about to get jumped and I am hanging around the guards to try and get protection. ... I thought the security guards would defend me."

    The girl, who is black, also told the detective that the altercation began at a nearby department store, where some in the group made threatening comments that she had "nice things" and that she acts "white."

    Two Seattle police officers noticed the escalating situation and kicked the group out of the Macy's, then brought the girl and her friend to another exit, the victim said. She reported that she asked the officers for an escort to the bus tunnel, just below the department store, but the officers refused.

    "Had these officers known what was to transpire, they probably would have paid for a cab for this victim to be taken safely to her home, but they didn't know. They broke up a couple of disturbances and provided the victim an opportunity to leave the area via bus," said Sgt. Sean Whitcomb, a Seattle police spokesman.

    One of the defendants, Dominique Whitaker, told detectives that earlier in the evening the victim had pepper-sprayed another person in the group.

    The victim, who reported that she lost consciousness during the attack, was not hospitalized. She said she has a potentially fatal heart condition, and tried to protect her chest as she was being kicked.

    King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said the guards were right to follow their training.

    "If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."

    Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond and other King County officials were less forgiving.

    "We are very disappointed in what people see in that video," Desmond said. "It was absolutely unacceptable. I know the Olympic Security folks were also disappointed in the response, but again, the employees were following the letter of the agreement."

    Metro Transit contracts with the King County Sheriff's Office for 68 police officers, and supplements that force with civilian guards provided by Olympic Security Services Inc. of Tukwila, Wash. All three of the guards involved are Olympic employees.

    The guards' duties include helping customers and reporting suspicious objects, disruptive behavior and equipment problems.

    Olympic Security President Mark Vinson did not immediately return calls seeking comment, but Desmond said the company is quickly working up a proposed contract revision, which could include additional training and new guidelines on how and when guards should intervene.

    Other options include hiring armed guards.

    Unarmed guards could put themselves and others at risk if they intervene in certain situations. But this incident was largely a fight between two teenage girls, and there does not appear to be any indication that the larger group would have become involved if the guards broke it up, Desmond said.

    "If I was there on the platform I don't know that I would have stood there," he said. "It's their job to be down there. The people at Olympic Security had the same human response: 'Why didn't we step in to protect the girl on the ground?'"

    The girl charged with being the primary attacker faces up to 2 1/2 years in juvenile detention if convicted. Whitaker, 18, and Latroy D. Hayman, 20, each face a sentence of 31 to 41 months in prison if convicted, and the third adult defendant, Tyrone J. Watson, 18, faces a sentence of 36 to 48 months in prison.

    It was not immediately clear if any had obtained lawyers.


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    :shocked:My take on it, a set of loud mouths girls and somebody cocked her after a internal to Macy dispute.

    As far as the guards, they can be blamed, but I counted at least 3 others in the vicinity of the head kick and stomp and from the camera angle I seen, about 10others near by.

    Nobod y ever, should rely or count on others to be your hero or saviour. Id on't expect a Security Guard, TSA worker, building SG, or anybody else to defend, protect or shelter me. Just the way of life I guess. If they do, bravo..... but if they don't ...well what can you do?

    In this case, I wouldn't be surprise if the girl parents try to file chargers on the SG if not just the Police
     

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    Sad situation but that's exactly what security guards are told to do. "Observe and Report". Not only is the company subject to a lawsuit but so are you as the guard. Every company that I worked for except for a fed contract was the same way. If I had been there I don't think I could have stood by and watched a girl get beaten directly in front of me though.
     
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    This is why working security can be terrible work at times. If your event ends up in the news you're crucified no matter how it turns out. If you use force, people call it excessive and the company fires you. If you follow company policy (i.e. what these guys unfortunately did) you will (rightfully) be called out on it for not doing the right thing and probably still fired.

    While I submit that those guards are POSs either way, I guarantee they were bombarded by their company with "don't intervene, call the police and get out of the way". In my security job I work with a guy who would do exactly what these guys did, or even walk the other way so he could pretend it wasn't happening. He follows every policy and can't be fired, he'll probably end up running the site. The rest of us don't have a problem intervening and will probably be fired for it at some point.
     
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    Everything was videotaped w/the scumbags in plain view, especially the needs-to-be-dead purse snatcher. Let's all keep our fingers crossed and hope the child who was beaten has some absolutely bad***** brothers and cousins who don't take prisoners.
     
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    It's so typical of this town that no one tried to help her...
     
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    damn hoodrats.

    I was down at the westlake tunnel this after, but missed it.
     
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    When I saw the video on the local news last night I was just amazed no one did anything, even if it was against company policy for the security guards to physically intervene. I think it also goes to show that the city is wasting tax payer's money on hiring unarmed guards for the bus tunnels if all they're going to do is sit there and radio for the police while a crime is being committed, which basically ANY citizen with a cell phone can do already.
     
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    I don't understand that mindset either. What really gets me is when companies will hire a bunch of untrained, unmotivated, and unarmed people for minimum wage when they could just spend a little (if any) more and get just a couple fewer people who are better paid, trained, equipped, and motivated. It would be so much more effective.
     
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  11. fnfalman

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    They can hire ex-Airborne Rangers and it probably still would be the same. Security guards don't have authority to do squat. I was a security guard for six months after I got out of the Army to help foot the college bill (no, GI Bill wasn't enough). Observe and report, that's it. If there's a problem, call the police. That's all you're authorized to do. At least as regular joe schmoe security guard anyway. Apparently armed security at nuclear power plants are different.
     
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    Depends. The security guards in my neighborhood are packing a side arm, mace and four d-cell Maglites. They use force to detain bgs for the cops regularly.
     
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    I wouldn't follow policy in that case. I am a security guard right now.
     
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    Well, it depends on how knowledgeable they are, which is my point. In Indiana for example, it's true they don't have any more authority than another person (unless it relates to private property rules) but any citizen can intervene in a violent crime. They are even allowed to use deadly force so long as it is in self-defense or in the defense of a third party who is at risk. Citizens can also make arrests for certain things, particularly violent crimes and similar behaviors. My point is that if you have security who are actually trained in what the law says and are given the ability and tools to work right up to that, they can do more than you might think. Professional, motivated security is going to engender a lot more confidence and respect from people, as well as provide a stronger deterrent, than Snuffy Smith in his oversized wrinkled uniform who looks like he couldn't care less. Furthermore, some states actually do allow security to make certain arrests that average citizens can't. I believe Florida and South Carolina are a couple of examples but I've never worked there so I could be wrong.

    I'm guessing you worked for a "warm body" company?
     
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    I wouldn't mind punching one of the scumbags in the back of the head and get away with it as defending the helpless girl. I'm 6ft 250lbs and would love to body slam some POS on the subway platform:supergrin: This stuff never happens when I'm around, I need to slam someone just once:whistling:
     
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    Observe and Report is one thing, but theres a certain point when compassion trumps policy. The girl knew what was about to go down, and was trying to get as close as possible to the guards. I probably would of done the same thing UNTIL she started kicking her in the head. At that point I would of at least offered a stiff arm or step in front just so the kicks to the head stop.
     
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    Ahh, the police state speaks.

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    And people wonder why I hate lawyers so damn much. Everyone is sue happy and those greedy sharks only perpetuate the problem. There is this things called the Good Samaritans Law that is supposed to protect individuals from frivolous lawsuits.

    I guess it boils down to a prime example of how messed up we are as a nation.:dunno:
     
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    That video made me sick. What if the girl had been killed while the "guards" did nothing? WTF is the point of those guys, anyway? Fire the whole damn security company, if they're not going to do anything to provide security. Either provide security, or make it clear to the patrons there is NO security.

    A couple of private citizens with CCW probably would've ended that situation, even without shots fired.