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223 or 308

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by horseboss45, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. horseboss45

    horseboss45

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    Looking to pick up my first AR. I am leaning toward one in 308. I guess I could go the AK route but not sure. Help an old fool spend his money.
     
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    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

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    Very hard to make any meaningful recommendations based on almost zero info provided. I guess I could say, "OK, go with the 308.", but it's totally meaningless.
     

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    93GT The Ogre

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    Pick up a Tier 1 or Tier 2 AR-15 in 5.56 NATO with a 1 in 7" twist 16" barrel and shoot it. You can worry about a 308 or other calibers later. As much as I like the 308, it is a heavier, different rifle that I find less maneuverable. I wouldn't pick it as my first AR. I don't think we have enough details to give really good advice though. YMMV.
     
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    RyanNREMTP Inactive/Banned

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    What is the rifle going to be used for? In most cases 223 will be more suitable unless you are just planning on doing hunting only.
     
  5. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    93gt makes a lot os sense!

    I've got both, but depending on what your needs/wants are greatly
    influences an opinion. As others have stated, we really need more info.
     
  6. B.Reid

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    Don't go the AK route.
     
  7. smokin762

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    I own both. I shoot my AR15 way more than the AR10 type rifle. Ammunition is much cheaper.

    If you buy the AR10, you may not want to stick your nose to the charging handle when you shoot. :whistling:
     
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    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    +1,.......I keep an index finger's thickness distance.
     
  9. Javelin

    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

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    OP I agree with getting a top tier AR to begin with.

    Also agree that caliber recommendations are worthless.

    But I will add that if you are looking for a hunting round in an AR that does not weigh 10lbs+ then consider a 300 AAC BLK. Ammo is also pretty affordable vs. .308

    :wavey:
     
  10. JBnTX

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    For your first AR type rifle:

    Get a high quality 5.56mm, 16 inch barreled M4 type carbine.
    A Colt 6920 would be a perfect choice.

    Forget the 7.62 caliber, unless you're planning on going into combat with it.
    Ammo's too expensive and the gun's too heavy.

    Forget the AK! Stay with the standard type AR-15 rifle.

    Stay with a basic rifle to start with.
    You can get all exotic and tacticool with your next rifle.
     
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    Depends on your needs. If wanted as a SHFT gun, the .308 penetrates brush much better and is good for 600+ yards with proper glass and care.
     
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    Against MoM type targets, a 20" AR in 5.56 with iron sights is good to 600 yards. Loaded with the right kind of ammo, it can be pretty damn nasty at that distance, too.
     
  13. LA_357SIG

    LA_357SIG Milspectacular

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    My first AR was a 6.8SPC 16" carbine. Back then, ammo was expensive and not as available as it is now. 6.8 is a very capable self defense and hunting caliber. For cheap plinking and training you can get a 5.56 upper which shares the standard AR-15 lower.

    So, in conclusion, I recommend a 6.8SPC caliber with a 1:11 twist and SPCII chamber, preferrably 16" midlength.
     
  14. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    Or buy the cheaper 5.56 upper to begin with, so the OP has an inexpensive platform and cheaper ammo to practice with, and decide if he even likes the AR platform enough to invest in 6.8.
     
  15. horseboss45

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    Plan on doing some hunting with it. But will also ride in my pickup as a truck gun. Which weight of bullet would be best? 55gr, 62gr, or 75gr?
     
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    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

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    If your barrel is 1-7 twist the 75gr will be better.

    Heavier bullets are my choice in the AR platform which is why the 300BLK is so appealing as you can only make that little .224 bullet so long. I decided to step it up and just get a .30 bullet @ 110gr-220gr.

    And the 300BLK does not suffer the magazine ailments that the 6.8 has due to being able to use standard Pmags/GI mags and standard BCG that is common to all 5.56 platforms.

    :wavey:
     
  17. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    What do you plan to hunt? 5.56 is illegal for taking deer in many states, but I've heard of no states that restrict it for things like hogs. Bullet weight and type will be determined by the kind of game you are going after. You won't hunt small varmints with 75 grain bullets, but you might use them against hogs. You certainly want to use a thin-jacketed 40 grain varmint bullet for hogs, either.
     
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    LA_357SIG Milspectacular

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    If the OP considered a .308 for his first AR, then cheap ammo wasn't a priority. Asking for an opinion on a .308 AR hardly suggest he is getting an AR for plinking and practicing the latest "Art of the tactical beard" techniques.

    And yes. I am aware of .308 Wolf and Bear ammo.
     
  19. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    I also wouldn't suggest a .308 for a first AR, either.
     
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    But not if there is some light brush in between shooter and target. .223 pretty much loses it's spin and destabilizes much easier. (Looking at it from my world, 100 yards clear then light brush for cover that .308 penetrates well, .223 not so much.)