.22 pocket guns:what load?

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  1. knoxrocks222

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    I carried a pug in .22mag for a while until I figured out it was the same size, actually thicker than my LCP...
     
  2. DAW9347

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    I'd go with the CCI Velocitor also, or the Remington Vipers. With a short barrel, the box velocity is never realized anyway.
     
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  3. BC42

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    I would highly recommend high velocity rounds for any semi-auto 22lr. Standard velocity usually won't cycle a semi-auto pistol reliably. SV is usually around 1000fps claimed. HV is usually 1200fps. Hyper-velocity is usually above 1400 claimed. Stingers are not recommended for many firearms because the extra power can damage the firearm. I have a few boxes of Velocitors that I originally got thinking that I could use it as HD/SD rounds. I shot a bunch and never had any failures in my 22lr AA conversion which is usually very picky with ammo despite fine tuning it by polishing every possible contact point and a few other stuff.

    I've heard the same about Blazers and bought a few bricks when they were on sale for $25/brick. They seem to be as reliable as CCI MMs.

    I would not rely on or recommend Remington, Federal or Winchester ammo for HD/SD. Ever.
     
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  5. Borg Warner

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    A keltec P-32 is just as easy to carry and any pocket 22 and holds 8 rounds and is double action as opposed to some of the NAA revolvers and is a far better choice. They don't cost much and your life is worth more than couple hundred bucks.

    A 22 rimfire is deadly all out of proportion to it's size when fired out of a RIFLE. and people often confuse rifle effectiveness with short barrel handgun effectiveness.

    A 10/22 Ruger with a 25 round mag loaded with velocitors wouldn't be a bad choice for home defense for someone who couldn't handle a more powerful handgun. But when fired out of a short barrelled pistol it loses it's magic. Stingers trade mass for velocity and velocity is reduced out of a short barrel. And hollowpoints don't expand at those reduced velocities.
     
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  6. alnicoG22

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    The Kel-Tec P-32 is my pocket gun. If they come out with a P-22 I will probably buy one.
     
  7. Borg Warner

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    The LISTED velocity of 1200 fps is out of a rifle barrel.
     
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  8. Terry G

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    Absolutely. But I have found if the listed velocity is over 1200 FPS the ammunition will operate the semi-automatics reliably. Standard velocity, also out of a longer barrel, will not. My gauge is the BERSA M23 and T22. All metal guns, they are the pickiest about ammunition even more so than the AA G21 kit and the CZ Kadet Kit. If the BERSA's shoot it reliably it will work in anything I own.
     
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    When I carry my Beretta 21 or even my SR22 Ruger, I load Velocitor or Stinger. As was mentioned, not because I expect rifle velocities, but for solid and brisk blowback action. In the Beretta Bobcat, the short barrel makes for a pretty impressive fireball with the Stinger. Nothing says to a bad guy three feet away “I’m being shot” like a bright white baseball sized flash.
    In any case, my pocket carry is the aforementioned KelTec P32. Really a terrific little pistol. I put 50rds of hot S&B FMJ through it a couple days ago. For carry, I load an Hornady XTP in the chamber, and one as first out of the mag. The rest all FMJ.
     
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  10. BigBluefish

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    My Beretta 21 likes Mini Mag solids, so that's what I use. If I had a LCP .22 I'd try Velocitor & Interceptor solids and choose the one (if either) that was most reliable.
     
  11. Borg Warner

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    Getting the gun to function is one thing but piss-poor ballistics out of a short barrel is another.

    Even the 22 magnum, which theoretically could get 1200 fps with a 40 grain bullet out of a handgun, needs at least a 4 inch barrel to do that, and some of the NAA 5 shot S/A revolvers have less than a 2 inch barrel.

    Here's from Ballistics By The Inch:

    ------40 gr 40gr 30 gr 30gr 30 gr 40gr 40 gr 45 gr 30 gr 25gr 30 gr.
    19" 1827 1999 2285 2348 2355 1908 1936 1773 2296 2265 2149
    18" 1837 1985 2322 2298 2324 1920 1950 1764 2313 2235 2110
    17" 1825 1980 2280 2288 2334 1918 1938 1755 2318 2241 2160
    16" 1780 1987 2316 2276 2283 1887 1934 1702 2252 2166 2129
    15" 1799 1967 2304 2294 2275 1916 1873 1738 2240 2229 2127
    14" 1783 1963 2230 2298 2244 1885 1951 1751 2243 2250 2105
    13" 1749 1889 2181 2220 2227 1852 1886 1698 2245 2191 2071
    12" 1750 1881 2168 2204 2163 1843 1811 1699 2144 2138 2052
    11" 1709 1835 2079 2097 2135 1788 1845 1652 2093 2146 1989
    10" 1687 1817 2060 2144 2102 1791 1772 1643 2069 2065 1951
    9" 1672 1759 2000 2061 2018 1723 1772 1630 1966 2024 1924
    8" 1594 1706 1950 2012 1979 1650 1696 1536 1977 1928 1803
    7" 1529 1617 1887 1904 1879 1626 1606 1525 1821 1818 1763
    6" 1484 1575 1763 1804 1821 1526 1544 1454 1740 1824 1694
    5" 1355 1474 1672 1723 1657 1433 1477 1307 1602 1670 1575
    4" 1248 1353 1510 1504 1457 1287 1269 1239 1379 1492 1454
    3" 1089 1160 1236 1336 1228 1101 1117 1049 1153 1308 1288
    2" 887 946 884 1085 895 899 853 843 962 1114 n/a

    http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22mag.html
     
  12. Terry G

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    Exactly why I would not carry a .22 handgun for self defense. No reason to unless that's all you have.
     
  13. BC42

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    That's why I added "claimed" after the rated fps in my post.

    When I got my AA G19 kit, I didn't realize how picky it was. I was lucky to get it when 22lr was started to become much more widely available and I started testing different brands and types. I stockpiled a bunch of 22lr that I couldn't shoot so I now had a good reason to pick up a 10/22 takedown.

    Hotter loads obviously makes semi's run better so high velocity ammo is the minimum load I'd recommend. Remington GBs are the recommended plinker ammo for the AA kit and they work very well but I do get some failures per 525 box but not a lot.
     
  14. JohnnyE

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    This pair only holds .22 shorts.

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  15. Nutty Professor 188

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    Very true.
    Plus, the Stingers are optimized for rifles. The propellant favors long barrels and velocity drop from rifle length to pistol length is pretty drastic.
    I'm not sure, but I think the Remington Yellow Jackets (HP) and Vipers (solid), might be similar.
    The Yellow Jackets & Vipers are truncated cone profiles and tend to hang up in a lot of autoloaders. I do like the Vipers in my Single Six.

    I would definitely go with a solid for anti-personnel use. Penetration is the key for any kind of wound channel and the hyper-velocity HPs expand quickly and go shallow, most of the time less than 4", which barely makes it into the boiler room of most people.

    I have Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection ammo in my .22 Magnum NAA mini-revolver because someone gave me a few. I am trying them out even though it is a hollow point, because it is loaded for short barrels. I think the bullets may be bonded. 40 grain bullet at 1050 FPS, and still doing 1000 FPS at 25 yards (although I couldn't hit a bull in the a$$ with it at the range). Before that I carried Federal Champion 40 grain FMJ in it. It's rated for 1880 FPS in a rifle. Don't know what it is out of that little pistol. 1200 FPS or below I'm sure but still a good round, I think. I'll probably go back to them if I ever shoot the Speer's up.
     
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    Into the face, especially if the attacker isn’t wearing glasses. Because of the rifling, patterning is donut style.