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"2011" frames

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Mountain10mm, May 7, 2012.

  1. Mountain10mm

    Mountain10mm

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    Why don't any of the big 1911 manufacturers make a stock 2011 frame? Are they something Infinity/SVI has a patent on? Kimber, Colt, Remington, Dan Wesson, Springfield, Smith and Wesson...as far as I know, none offer a 2011 frame (high capacity) in a 1911 platform. I'd love one in 10mm, but gosh, can't even find a mainstream one in 45ACP. Para had hi-cap frames back in the early 90's...and still does, but I've heard their quality is now in question. Maybe everyone but me likes the flat, seven round magazines.
     
  2. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Supply & demand.

    Not too many people wants a gigantic grip M1911.
     

  3. Mountain10mm

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    fnfalman, no offense, but I don't buy the grip size argument. The grips are not any bigger than a full size duty weapon, e.g. Beretta 92, Glock 20/21, a K or N frame revolver. Ok, for concealed carry I would agree with you, but a OWB duty gun, nope.
     
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    There are a few manufacturers that are making double stack 1911-type weapons, para, STI even rock island. For whatever reason, and FAL might have a point, they don't sell nearly as well as single stack 1911s.
    But if you want one, your best bet is to buy and STI frame and build one.
     
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  5. Snaps

    Snaps Hail 2 The King

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    see those people who would buy that, are the ones buying the glocks, the berettas, etc...

    1911 people don't want the bigger grip. That's why the ones they do make don't sell near as well as the standard ones.
     
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    I have built a few in my shop, I rarely have a customer ask for a wide body. We are doing one currently in 40 cal for a competative shooter who requested it but 99% of the time people want single stack. When I do build one though I just use the Casian widbody frames.
     
  7. B.Reid

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    STI makes a double stack 10mm I think they call it the Ultimate 10.
     
  8. bac1023

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    Mainly because they're building 1911s and that's not what the 2011 is.

    The demand just isn't there. I know I don't buy them.

    BTW, "2011" is a term used by STI. Most companies simply call them double stacks, Infinity included.
     
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    Just buy and STI. They make great guns.
     
  10. Mountain10mm

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    I am aware of STI's 10mm guns and their 2011 frames. I've shot them before, on TV. The guns we shot were awesome, but very finicky about ammunition. The 10mm they make has a 6" barrel; I'd like something a little smaller. Volkmann Precision has offered to make a custom 10mm on a STI 2011 frame for me, but it's expensive. I could have two barrels with it and shoot 40SW in the limited competition bracket.

    I could be wrong, but I don't understand why the demand isn't there. Many police departments are now letting officers carry 1911 style guns; if I could get a double stack 1911, at a reasonable price, I'd carry it on duty in a heartbeat - all the advantages of single action trigger, and the capacity of a polymer DAO. Not saying that companies have to stop making the single stacks, I like their grip and lack of girth too, but I think the market's there for the wide bodies. Given the incredible short supply of STI guns, I’d imagine most people have not picked on up. They are not heavy, nor overly thick.
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    fat gripped 1911s do not appeal to 1911 fans, never have, never will
     
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    :agree:

    If you want a great 2011 for a reasonable price, look no further.

    SVI builds the best, but prices are much, much higher than STI.
     
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    This ^

    I'd say at least three quarters of 1911 fanatics won't nothing to do with double stack 1911-style pistols.

    That's just an opinion of course. :embarassed:
     
  14. Shadyscott69

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    Yep!My next racegun will most likely be a SVI IMM just like this...

    [​IMG]
     
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    Part of the problem is probably how finiky these guns are. The mags are generally horrible and VERY expensive to make them run reliably. I have about $150 each in my USPSA Limited mags. I also have a couple G's above the price of the gun in custom work. I never misses a beat now. I wouldn't hesitate to carry my STI now. Before Abernathy worked it over... not so much.

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    Very nice

    My SVI 1911 is my avatar this month. :)
     
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    Strang, mine has run great out of the box, I haven't even taken one of the mags apart yet.
     
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    I don't know about you, but for many people the Beretta 92 and Glock 20/21 grips are quite large.
     
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    Just for fun, I figured I'd pull out the calipers.


    STI 2011 w/ slight grip reduction .......... 1.250
    SV Wide body (grip mod) .................... 1.260
    Caspian Wide Body .......................... 1.100
    Para P14 ................................... 1.375
    Single Stack .40 w/ Shredder Grips ......... 1.325
    Springfield SS with VZ Grips ................1.290
    Factory STI (no grip mods) ................. 1.280


    All the wide bodies with exception of the Para do not need grip panels, so they can be even narrower than 1911 with standard grips. I know they make narrow grips for the single stack, which would change the numbers. :dunno:
     
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    Wasn't saying mine was a hunk o junk, just not something I would have carried for SD. It would choke 1-2 times every 3-500 rounds. It was chambered VERY tight.

    After Jeff, nada. I shot it in a class a couple weeks ago and went 1300+ rounds with only one FTF. That was at about round number 1100 and directly after i dropped it in the sand. Quick shot of brake cleaner and tick tock.