2 random newbie shotgun ?'s

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  1. Thunderstruck

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    Looking for a sling for my Shockwave -
    It has the magizine tube end cap and grip studs already installed. Do I have to get a sling with "swivel" studs to fit this, or will other type of sling hardware also fit these factory studs? They are pretty tiny, so I don't know if the 'hook' type would fit and maybe only the small swivel studs will work?

    As far as shooting birdshot - what is a "safe" target to shoot and how far away does it need to be so not to have pellets bouncing back at me, which would be bad.
    Should I stay away from steel tagets? Obviously the shockwave is a short range gun... so I'm not going to be 50-75 yards away... I just want to be safe.
    ... buckshot is different I know, but I assume I would also want to stay away from steel targets to avoid any type of bounce back?
     
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    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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  5. Thunderstruck

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    what makes you say that, and not using the front mount?
    I didn’t like my buddies single point on his AR, and many men have suffered being hit in our man region with a single point.
     
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    Birdshot on steel is fine from 10 yards. Done it in all five shotgun classes I've taken.
     
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    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    A big piece of cardboard will show you how the gun patterns with each load.
     
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  9. fflincher

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    Lead shot does not bounce back from steel targets as powerfully as steel pellets do.

    I've patterned my Shockwave out to 15 yards, about as far as I can get decent patterns from non-special buckshot (Federal FliteControl is special). I have NOT shot anything larger than #4 lead (not #4 buck) at steel. It is WONDERFUL to cut tall grass with #9 shot!

    The sling you want should be dictated by how you intend to carry and shoot the gun.

    I do like a single point sling that circles my neck and shooting shoulder, hanging so the grip is next to my open hand as I stand relaxed. I have decided to keep the safety strap on the fore ends of all my 14" barreled 12 gauge guns. For safety.
     
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    Good
    good info.
    Why’s your favorite loads for your shockwave?
    Unfortunately all I have right now is #8 and 7.5 birdshot and target loads because of ammo shortages. So that’s what I have to shoot and practice with at the moment, and want to do it safely without blowback or shooting my foot haha.


    I’m not paying $1+ around for 00 buck right now, prices are insane...
    I do want to get 00 buck federal flight control or the low recoil law enforcement loads when I can find it for reasonable price!
    I do have like 4 rounds of 00 buck, but not shooting that for now until I can get a lot more!
     
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    Here's a Magpul sling which can be setup as either a single-point or two-point sling. There are several other sling brands on the market and even other sling variations within the Magpul brand.

    https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5272/s/ms4-dual-qd-sling-gen-2/category/52/

    The OP will need to think about what type of connectors to use and where those sling swivels or attachments are to be made. As I recall, a Mossberg Shockwave might only come with a swivel base at the butt of the "pistol" grip, but other attachment points can be added and used from a variety of accessory-companies.

    Perhaps a study of various folks' setups are in order.
     
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    Shoot up a box or two just to get used to the gun. Get 15 rounds of buck,
    2 3/4 inch, any make. That's enough to pattern and get set up for emergencies.

    #1 buck has more pellets, gives a denser pattern and each should have adequate penetration. If you're in an extremely cold climate, you may want bigger shot
    for greater penetration of thick coats. A dollar a round should not be prohibitive right now.

    Get some paper that's about 2 feet square. Pin the paper up about 15
    yards away and shoot your test ammo at separate sheets. I recommend five of each load at that distance, measure the pattern from most distant pellet holes and make a decision from the data. Fliers are a concern, as you are responsible for everything that comes out of the muzzle.


    My recommended load for beyond 15 yards is Federal FliteControl #1 buck. Make that 00 buck if you're in that colder climate. Both will extend your desired
    pattern out to, maybe, 25 yards, depending on your gun. Out to about 10 yards, it'll be about a 70 caliber hole. It's a premium load, so wait for reasonable prices. Your gun will have to be shot on paper to give you reassurance these distances are realistic.

    Later on you should be able to do as I have. Start buying boxes of buckshot the size you settle on starting cheap and working up to whatever you can afford to stock. I don't like loads that leave a void the pattern.

    Then pattern enough of each to satisfy yourself.

    You may want to walk around inside your area of responsibility to see at what maximum distance you may need to shoot. I used a tape measure inside my home.

    You're off to a great start!
     
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    $10 for 10 rds? Just buy some ammo. At some point you need some whether you shoot it or not.
     
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    well since posting that I ended up buying a case of 00 buck of 250 :)
    I also bought a case of 100 of mini shells! I bought 8 shot as buck wasn’t available in the mini shells but will be my next purchase, but I am good on shotgun ammo at the moment! Ha
     
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    I stay away from the slings that mount to the front of the mag tube, I’ve gone to rack a round in the chamber and grabbed the sling and the fore grip at the same time and it’ll stop you from running the action
     
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    A month ago, OP asked a question.

    Today I am reloading my Shockwave equivalent 12 gauge and recalled one of his posts. Mounted a green laser/flashlight on it, adjusted to the approximate center of the bird shot I was able to shoot on the range. It's an old post, but OP may be able to find a use of my earlier post.


    Here are some of my findings, probably already reported somewhere on this board, if not in this forum.

    It's been two months and 13 days since I was last able to shoot buckshot
    at paper 10 yards distant. The AlphaMax I liked so well is no longer
    available anywhere I looked, at any price.

    Newt asked about cheap PMC in another thread, so I got on his bandwagon
    with a case of it, cheap enough!

    At a measured 10 yards from the muzzle I shot three 12 gauge shotguns.

    A 14 inch barrel fixed bore Mossberg made up of a Model 500 with the
    Shockwave barrel, magazine, pump handle and grip.

    A 14 inch barrel slightly shorter Mossberg that I spent $200 on in taxes.
    This, with a factory 590 barrel came threaded for screw-in chokes. I
    shot it with an Extra Full #2 extended and ported choke. Looks like
    Kicks, but not so marked. The choke extends 1.5" from the muzzle.
    I know, "buckshot doesn't do well from tight chokes". Sue me.
    Hogue soft grip.

    An 18.5 inch Remington 870 Express Magnum with cylinder bore. Not just
    for comparison, but because I've never patterned this gun before.

    I shot left to right alphabetically:

    PMC low velocity (1200 FPS) 9 pellet 00 buck, 2 3/4 inch LV12BK OO LE;

    Sellier & Bellot 2 3/4 inch 9 pellet 00 buck, SB12BSG;

    Spartan 2 3/4 inch 9 pellet 00 buck, SA1200;

    Winchester Ranger2 3/4 inch 8 pellet 00 buck (low recoil) RA12008.

    Kept the targets, one per each kind of shell in each of three shotguns.
    Took all morning because I had to wait for cease firing to retrieve
    targets and set new ones.

    Wish I knew how to post pictures!

    Shockwave: PMC 8.25 inches, pretty evenly spread a
    around a pellet-free empty space the
    size of my spread XL hand.
    S&B
    7.75 inches, all but one in a 6 inch
    diameter group I which I could cover
    with my spread hand.

    Spartan 7.75 inches, pretty nicely filling
    the space covered by my spread right
    hand.

    Winchester 7.75 inches wide by 4 inches top to
    bottom. 4 inch circle in between
    extreme left and right pellets
    held the other 6.

    I don't like the empty space left in the middle by the PMC.
    Was not able to tell any difference in recoil, maybe because I was
    focused on the targets. Any of the other three loads will do for my
    indoors gun with a maximum realistic distance of 11 yards.
    Looks like I'll load it with S&B.

    Tax Special Mossberg, now 1 inch shorter overall than my Shockwave
    equivalent because of different grip and choke. Extra full #2 choke.

    PMC 4.75 inches, nicely rounded.

    S&B 6.25 inches, rounded.

    Spartan 6 inches rounded, empty center
    roughly 5X3 inches.

    Winchester 4 inches. Without flyer, 3 inches
    in a circle with 3X2.5" empty center.

    I don't like the empty space in the middle of the Spartan pattern.
    Don't like the loss of more than 10% of pellets from Winchester.
    The PMC clearly wins the $200 taxed Mossberg. It has a future as
    a car gun load and maybe a yard gun, after I test it at 15 yards.

    Finally, since I shot it, here are the full size 870 results.

    PMC 7.5 inches, rounded, 6 inch diameter
    empty center.

    S&B 5.5 inches, rounded, 5.5X3.5 inch
    empty center.

    Spartan 8.5 inches oblong. Omitting flyer,
    7 inch nice spread.

    Winchester 5.5 inches with a 5.5X4 inch void
    larger than my fist.

    S&B wins the Remington tenatively, pending 15 yard testing.
    Ammo carrier to be determined will carry Federal Flite Control #1
    buck.

    Soooo I've decided what I want to feed three of my shotguns, subject
    to change as I shoot them more. No decisions on lights, did put a
    Meprolight front bead on the Shockwave, gun most likely to be kept
    indoors. Choke sure did make a difference!

    Annnnd changing from the Turkey choke to the Extra Full #2 seems to
    have shrunk by an inch in diameter the buckshot loads from Spartan
    and Winchester in the Class III Mossberg at 10 yards.

    Also, the choke seems to have tightened the pattern over what I got
    from the full sized Remington.

    ******************************************************************

    Still more 14" 12 gauge buckshot from 10 yards.

    Mossberg Shockwave equivalent, cheap buckshot

    Spartan 00, 9 pellets average
    7.5, 8.5, 10.75, 8.25, 7: 8.4 inches

    S&B 00, 9 pellets
    8, 14.25, 8.5, 8.75, *: 10 inches

    S&B 00, 12 pellets
    9, 7.5, 7, 8, 8: 8 inches

    Winchester Ranger 00, 8 pellets
    7, 5.25, 6.75, 6, 6.75: 6.35 inches

    * Wind blew down target, no chance to re-shoot

    All pellets caught on paper. Recoil from 12 pellet S&B load
    was significantly greater than recoil from the other loads.
    Could not detect any reduction in recoil from the 8 pellet
    Winchester "Reduced Recoil" load. The 12 pellet S&B shell
    jabbed my forefinger of my off hand unpleasantly with the
    two screws holding the front strap on my fore end without
    breaking the skin.

    By comparing these limited patterns with those previously
    shot with a similar but different 12 gauge,
    although each firearm gives slightly different results, I was
    surprised to see how close the patterns from one gun were to the
    patterns from the other with matching ammunition!




    I have more testing to do, and plan some 10 yard groups with
    solids. I'll report then.


    1100 Remington 12 gauge skeet barrel
    S&B 9 pellet 00 Buck 7" nicely centered
    S&B 12 pellet 00 Buck 8" nicely centered

    1100 Remington 12 gauge Turkey choke
    S&B 9 pellet 9" 00 Buck, spread uneven
    S&B 12 pellet 6" 00 Buck nicely centered
    S&B 01 buck 8 1/3" separated groupings
    S&B #4 Buck 9 3/5" nice pattern
     
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    Look up "wax slugs"

    You open the round and pour wax in the shell

    Holds everything together more like a slug