[Quack]

The informational posts from this thread have been moved to the FAQ stickie: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1269683

 

[okie]

C&L is the main way to carry a 1911.
it's safe as long as all you safeties are in working order.

Yup for sure:thumbsup: I ain't askeered to carry Condition 1 :supergrin:

 

[Quack]

how often have you heard of an AD with a 1911 C&L'd?

IMO, it's much more common with Glocks, especially when re-holstering.

 

[Fred]

Another one I'll sticky for awhile.

 

[W420Hunter]

Friend of mine an I got into a tiss over this the other day. I keep mine in #2 all the time, an feels safe to me. His main point being "you never know when some one is going to do something stupid". I shot back with "well if there going to do something stupid, how is the round not in chamber going to change things?". I'm still going to keep code 2, weather he likes it or not.

 

[CanyonMan]

Mine stays in condition 1 all the time and for very long periods of time, I have no worry of spring problems in the wilson 47D mags, or the sear from a constant cocked hammer. Like John Wayne said..."A gun thats cocked and not loaded ain't no good...." Conversely (sp) a 1911 that is loaded and NOT cocked ain't no good either....



Good shooting boys



CanyonMan

 

[The Expert]

Condition 1 all day baby!

Condition 2 sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Bozz]

I rarely 'carry' my 1911, but can tell you that I have had a problem mentally with the Condition 1 even though I have heard the experts say that it is the safest "ready" type position.

Even when I use it as my nightstand gun, I have struggled with this and more often than not put it in Condition 3.

 

[Q400]

A second problem with this condition is that the true 1911A1 does not have a firing pin block and an impact on the hammer which is resting on the firing pin could conceivably cause the gun to go off, although actual instances of this are virtually nonexistent.

Here is an interesting read if you haven't seen it before:

http://yarchive.net/gun/pistol/1911_inertial_discharge.html

 

[jgilbo17]

a cocked and locked 1911 is the safest fire arm there is, but only somebody that understands the mechanics of a 1911 would agree. they simply cant drop the hammer unless multiple things are done at the same time. 1911s get a bad name from stupid people doing things because they think they know better

 

[jgilbo17]

if a 1911 is cocked and locked and dropped directly on the hammer, the chances are the hammer will break off before anything else happends

 

[Gray Dood]

I've been a 1911 shooter for about 35 years and carried one professionally for around 10 of those years.

Condition 1 is the way to go if you want to bet your life on this system imo. If you're leery about this, I'd strongly suggest you do some research and take a professional class on the weapon.

I don't poo poo on another person's choices, but Condition 2 and 3 are simply not the most effective method and can carry risks to your life in a defensive encounter.

Just my $.02.

 

[Zerodefect]

Obsolete terminology. 1911's have been tuned for cocked and locked carry for decades now.

 

[Mountain10mm]

I think Detonics 1911's were designed for condition 2 carry. It's been a while, but I remember reading the reason the rear sight was moved forward and slide tapered behind the rear sight was to facilitate cocking the hammer in a condition 2. For the life of me, I don't know why you'd carry a round chambered and hammer down in a 1911, seems like a accident waiting to happen trying to cock the hammer in a hurry. If it's on me, it's cocked and locked, and if it's in the fun safe or gun case (where legal), it's typically condition 3, full mag, chamber empty.

 

[furetto7]

I normally carry condition six, empty magazine in my right sock and loose rounds in various pockets, by the time I have the magazine loaded and in the gun I can decide if I really need to shoot something.

 

[Jim Watson]

I think Detonics 1911's were designed for condition 2 carry. It's been a while, but I remember reading the reason the rear sight was moved forward and slide tapered behind the rear sight was to facilitate cocking the hammer in a condition 2.

The legend at the time was that they got started with an order from a spook agency whose manager was a C2 type.
This may be an apocryphal story like the rumor that the 6.8mm SPC caliber selection was driven by a manager who hunted with a .270 and thought that was the only way to go.

 

[0311INF]

I normally carry condition six, empty magazine in my right sock and loose rounds in various pockets, by the time I have the magazine loaded and in the gun I can decide if I really need to shoot something.

Good old condition 6. Served me well too!

 

[halfmoonclip]

Condition 2 is safe enough for actual carry; achieving Condition 2 is where the mischief lies. In either cocking or uncocking with one in the chamber, bad (redacted) can happen.
BTW, the firing pin in a correctly assembled 1911 is inertial; even having the hammer down against the backing plate presents no danger.
Moon

 

[halfmoonclip]

I normally carry condition six, empty magazine in my right sock and loose rounds in various pockets, by the time I have the magazine loaded and in the gun I can decide if I really need to shoot something.

I believe this is called "legal gun storage" in Chicago. Even better if you forget where you stashed the rounds and mag.
Moon

 

[Jim Watson]

M. Ayoob wrote of going to a repressive jurisdiction to teach a class where neither his instructor's card nor his badge was good enough for him to carry a gun in the tough part of town. A close reading of the law showed he could have an empty gun in a case - tweaked for easy opening - and a magazine in his pocket.
Another one, even more restrictive, he could only depend on his local guide passing him his BUG if necessary.
So what "conditions" are those?