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165 grain 9mm with CFE pistol?

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Well I picked up 1k of 165 grain (yes, 165) and am trying to figure out a good starting load. I want to use CFE pistol powder, but I can't find any guys loading anything over 147 grain bullets. I normally load 147 grain with 4.3 grains of CFE.

I was thinking of starting at around 2.8 grains and then working up. Or should I start a little higher?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that? You mean there's no point in inspecting the case after firing a new load and looking for things such as the case being distorted or getting hammered on the head area?

For instance, I've picked up some 45 acp brass that was definitely loaded up pretty hot. The head stamp was pretty much smoothed out and the edges were rounded off. From what I gather that's from the round being slammed into the slide when fired and beating up the brass. Those cases were discarded but just something I noticed and researched. I haven't found any 9mm cases like that yet though.
Any brass shows wear over time. I have some 45acp loaded 20x plus. You can barely read the head stamp & I never shoot max 45acp.
 

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I think 150gr is the point of limiting returns. I've tried 165gr, but ended up bumping the charge up to get them to group. So basically it was just a waste of lead.

147gr bullets with a moderately fast powder is a perfectly fine balance. Overall, I think investing in your index and grip gives a more consistent, effective result than trying to beat physics on the hardware side.
 

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I just got these since they were cheap. I try to buy all my bullets when xtreme lists them in their clearance section. So these weren't much more than the 147 grain I usually get.

But I just got back from the range.

The 2.8 wouldn't cycle the slide enough to eject the spent case. It took 3.2 grains to sort of cycle the slide. 3.4 was still VERY soft but did cycle the slide for all 5 rounds. 3.5 and 3.6 were about right. The accuracy was decent as well. I did note that I have some "soot" on the cases, not a whole lot, but enough to wipe with your finger. And from my reading, that means not enough to seal the chamber fully.
 
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