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For 9mm minor, about where I would start, maybe 3-3.1gr? I have loaded 165gr with faster powders, just looking for 775fps. When working off the book, I will load 2 rds each, increasing 1/10gr at a time. Shoot them in order to verify functioning & any oddities that could be higher pressure (like no vel increase or spike in vel). So no issue starting really low & seeing how the vel per charge graphs out. I doubt you stick a plated bullet but just be cautious of that with starting charges. Of course as usual, YMMV, you are responsible for what you put into your gun. no choro, I wouldn't even go there.