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155gr or 165gr HST 40 S&W

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by PghJim, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. PghJim

    PghJim

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    I was lucky enough to obtain a few boxes each of 155 and 165gr HST in 40 S&W. I really like the HST bullet. The weather has been too bad to get out the chronograph, but the website lists the 155 at 1160fps and and 463 fp of energy. The 165 is 30 fps slower, but has 5 more foot pounds of energy. I have not heard much on stopping effectiveness of either, but if you have an opinion as to which one to carry I would like to know. I do not like 180gr bullets in the 40 so please do not tell me to go out and find those.
     
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    I have 2 boxes (-) of the 155gr fodder for my Kahr CW40. Was wondering the same thing.
     

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    the one that's most reliable & shoots the best
     
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    I prefer the lighter weight bullets in the .40S&W loading, as the recoil is less. I have fied my G23 with 155, 165 and 180 and you can notice the difference...
     
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  6. PghJim

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    I knew it would not take long for someone to throw the 180 in no mater what I asked. I really do not see that much difference in performance for the types of situation I will be in. And I was more interested in actual experience rather than jello tests. However, even going by your test, it appears the 155gr wins out over the 165gr. in the bare and clothing tests. The little bit of penetration is not significant.
     
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    Then get the 155gr and not worry about our opinions.
     
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    The 155 wins in expansion but not penetration. 10.5" and 11" of penetration is simply not enough. I don't care if they expanded .1" more, if they don't go deep enough they won't get the job done. That is exactly why .380 is so lame.

    I was surprised by the 9mm 124gr +P too. Too little penetration. I knew HSTs were known for incredible expansion but I didn't realize how much it took away from penetration. I think if I were carrying HSTs I would stick to the heaviest bullet. But it's a moot point as they are almost impossible to find! In the meantime I'll be keeping my Gold Dots.
     
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    Winchester 127 +p+, which has incredible street credibility, penetrates about the same as the HST 124+P.

    I prefer heavy for caliber, but would be be okay with 155 or 165 gr if that was all I could get. Shot placement, and repeat as necessary.

    LJ
     
  10. PghJim

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    Boy someone did not get enough sleep last night. This is a forum and I had not seen that chart before. What I was really interested in is the actual performace of the loads in actual shootings. I know some will say the jello penetration was low. However, I saw a person who was shot with a Corbon 135gr which shows about 10 inches of penetration in jello. In this case the bullet passed complete through the person. After see the effects I carried that round for a while.

    This is a little old and does not contain the HST, but the round I mentioned had a 89% one shot stop and topped all of the 180's.

    http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=11&Weight=All
     
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    DWARREN123 Grumpy Old Guy

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    I like the heavier weights also so I would go with the 165gr. 180gr is my carry weight.
     
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    You shoot any of it? I think you'll find the 155gr a bit snappier than most 180gr or even the 165gr. I prefer 165gr (RGS or GD now). As to performance, put em where they need to go & either will do fine.
     
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    Yes - the 155 is a little snappier than the 165, and significantly more than the 180's I have shot. In my primative penetration/performance tests (ie 4 layers of heavy denim and 3 gallon jugs of water) They both penetrated exactly the same, the 155 expanded more. I am only shooting out of a 4" barrel and it is not a standard test. I may end up with the 165 because they are easier to shoot, i.e. get a second shoot off quicker.
     
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    6 of one, half dozen of the other.

    IMHO the 165gr. is the better round.
     
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    I carry the 165 gr in my G22 with a choice of all three for the same price. Besides some varmint I have no real world experience with it except it is reliable and accurate.
     
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    IMO, if you must go with the HST then the 165gr load is the way to go. Penetration depth with the 155gr load is just too far to the iffy side for me. If the 155gr load could manage never less than 11.1" penetration depth I might say go for it, but it doesn't. As for not going with the 180gr load, I agree completely.

    The 165gr HST expands admirably for a 40cal along with you not having to think twice about penetration depth. The 155gr HST just doesn't offer that sense of security. And remember, this is a choice about life and death. There are many choices reguarding many things where we can safely settle for less. This isn't one of them. Go with the 165gr load and don't look back.

    Now, if you want a really smokin 40S&W load, buy a box of Double Tap's 135gr load. I don't know what platform you're shooting from, but from a G23 (4" barrel) they're rated at 1375fps (567 lbs-ft). At that velocity it's been independantly tested and achieves 12.1" penetration depth (.72" expansion) in ballistic gel. From a 4.5" barrel they're rated for 1420fps and penetrate 11.75" (.68" expansion).

    They hit like a freight trane. Loaded in the 10mm the 135gr bullet is really scary (1600fps and 767 lbs-ft) but doesn't penetrate enough for most people's liking.

    Check out the Double Tap 40S&W 135gr load here -
    http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_26


    Good Shooting,
    Craig
     
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    Not that I'm doubting you personally, but I question Double Tap's claims for this load. Not so much the velocity but the expansion and penetration. These aren't bonded bullets, they're Noslers. At those speeds they will likely fragment and certainly not penetrate deeply enough for some of you folks. Noslers and Sierras were the fad in the 90's, in fact they were Cor Bon's bullet of choice for most of their rounds. They are excellent expanders but will shed stuff when pushed to extremes of velocity. If I was going to go with a conventional JHP like the Nosler/Sierra I'd go with the 165gr Cor Bon load that uses a Sierra. Huge HP and decent velocity, not quite enough to cause massive fragmentation (maybe a few little pieces but not en masse).
     
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    I like the 165s. The extra bullet weight over 155s gives more consistent, deeper penetration, & the 165s will open up nice, too.
     
  20. PghJim

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    I do have DT loads in Nosler 135 both in 40 S&W for my G23 and 10mm for my G29. I have not shot the 10mm yet. When shooting the 40 S&W into Clothed gallon water jugs, it blows the 1st jug in half, but only half the time makes it into the third jug. I think I will shoot the 10mm 135gr tonight just for kicks and let you know.

    Jim