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Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by 10mm Universe, May 6, 2010.
I have had good luck with the Silvertips out of my 10mm Glocks.
Quite accurate, believe it or not.
Velocities not quite what Win quotes(1290?)- If memory serves, I get about 1150(G29) and 1225(G20).
The Silvertip will probably be my carry round in my new G29SF.
I carry the sillver tips in my 29 and dt in my 20. Why do you not trust DT?
Double Tap has substituted inexpensive Montana Gold bullets for the XTPs in their controlled expansion load. This puts it in the category of high powered and high priced range ammo, not self defense ammo. They made the substitution without any indication on their website or packaging. This caused people to find out the hard way. They opened up their ammo and found out that they paid good money for low end ammo.
Midway didn't help things any by shipping the Montana Gold to people that ordered the 'Bonded' 180 grain HP that should be loaded with Gold Dots.
I can see that lately some of the better bullets have been hard to come by. But burning your loyal customers isn't going to help the situation.
I have heard nothing but good things about the silvertips in 10mm. I know they were good in the .45s
I still have some boxes of these and corbon 165s in .45 ACP- send me a p.m. if you are interested in purchasing these (in .45) at a very discounted price.
if you want a warm .40cal load they are good. if you want a mid powered 10mm load they are lacking based on real world ballistics.
Looks like Cabelas has them on sale for $16.99 a box of 20. That puts it at the same price as Double Tap.
They chronied only about 1145ish through my G20, but standard deviations were the tightest that I've found. That is not super critical for pistol ammo, but it does impart a sense that they are assembled with tight quality control.
I don't think that the projectile is anything special, but it would probably be a fine personal carry load. Jacket separation is common when fired through various non-scientific stuff, but penetration is reasonable. The round cycles flawlessly in my G20 (but then again so does everything). Cycling is the first priority of any ammo, and the Win ST passes that test.
One thing I did observe, though, is that the felt recoil seemed stout relative to the modest velocities. I was surprised when I ran them over the chrony.
I understand the OP not trusting DT but I don't know of any failings or slight of hand by Buffalo Bore. In fact, the only problem I have with their ammo is the cost. What I've bought from them has been excellent quality and I understand they actually get the velocity they claim.
Also, the last time I chronographed the WW Silvertip in a G20 I got a 5 shot average of 1167 fps.
Buffalo Bore is doing the same thing...using Montana Gold that is...I have three boxes of 180 gr. "Gold Dot's" from buffalo bore that have Montana Gold on them instead. The box still has a check mark next to Gold Dot.
About 3 years ago I clocked some Win ST's out of a 5" EAA and a S&W 1006 and they were mid or upper 1200FPS range, but in my G29 were mid 1100's, and I was really surprised in the difference. The S&W had slightly higher speed about 30 to 50 FPS and we put it down to new EAA and used Smith.
The G20 only has a 4.25" barrel best I remember, and test weapon probably was 5" "test barrel", other words not an automatic or revolver. In fact the "test barrel" would be better compared to using a T/C G2 Contender 6.5" barrel model for test equal. Sure would account fo difference in speed reported and mfg stated velocity.
I bet my 10" barrel 10mm T/C would clock Win ST closer to 1325/1350 range.
It is 4.6". I'm probably splitting hairs.
+1 Very accurate, but not 1290 over the Chrony. Slower than advertised. I am going to get some more boxes and keep on hand.
I have always liked the Winchester 175 grain Silvertip load. I am glad that Winchester still loads it for us guys that like the 10mm. I would carry it as a SD load or use it as a back up defense load in areas that have game like black bears and big cats. I also see that DT is loading the Nosler 180 grain JHP Sporting Handgun bullets. Another fine factory load is the Hornady 180 grain XTP. They are listed at 1180.
Are the DT Nosler rds any good.
I have not tried them yet. I still have Silvertip and XTP's on hand. On my last order from DT I ordered their 200 grain FMJ load in 10mm. This one is loaded with the Montana Gold bullet and is a good load. The next time I place an order I will give the Nosler bullet loads a try in both 10mm and 357 Magnum.
Silvertips have changed over the years. The old ones from the late 80s and early 90s were as hot as they say. They came in the white box with orange and red racing stripe and black horse-and-rider logo. The newer silver-colored boxes are weaker, but a step above what the 175gr Silvertip fell to during the mid to late 90s. (Velocities fell to near 1000fps in that time-frame.) A lot of griping on the internet noticed by Winchester got the newest itterations back up into the 1150-1225fps range.
My original Silvertips are guarded quite closely. They're only used when deserving targets appear. We had a soft-body-armor salesman at the range one day showing off his wares and letting officers shoot the vest with their duty guns and whatever ammo they wanted. Lots of 9mms and 45s (this was just before the 40S&W came out), and the vest handled it well. Then, I stepped up with my duty gun at that time, a Glock20 w/ the original HOT Silvertips, and he started to sweat. He even started making excuses before I shot.
Anyway, he had the vest on a mannequine and a chrono set up on a tripod in front of the vest a few feet. I stepped up and fired five rounds. They chronoed between 1265 and 1320 with the average being 1287fps. I was quite happy with Winchester, though I worried what the pressures were on that 1320fps load(!)... BTW, the vest stopped all of them. The silvertip's mouth basically bit into the first five layers of kevlar and then turned inward and the bullet overall "rivetted" into about a .65" slug.