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Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by wabash, Jan 10, 2001.

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    Yup. They say the bullets can be pushed to 1,600 fps, so I figure I'll get minimum leading at 1,100 fps.
    I fired some old lead SWCs through my Redhawk .44 last week. I used a .44 Special powder load in .44 Magnum brass (850 fps). I finally figured out a way to get rid of that pound of HS6 I've had laying around.
     
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    That had to be BORINGLY accurate. And easy to see holes too......not a bad thing really. And still well in excess of .45 ACP ball energy. Big & slow really isn't bad, easy on equipment & shooter too. HS-6 isn't really that dirty either, is it ?

    Yeah, if they're good for 1600, they should run real clean too.
     

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    I wasn't bored, but it was accurate.
    That's another advantage of shooting at seven yards. I'm shooting at a batch of 50 yard small bore targets right now. Five four inch circles on the paper. It's nice to be able to see the hits as you shoot them.
    Works for me.
    The gun cleaned up very quickly.
    That's what I figured (6% antimony, 2% tin and 92% lead with a Brinell hardness of 15).
     
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    15 Brinell is about perfect for "shooter" ammo. A lot of people can't figure out why they get leading with hard bullets. It's because of gas blow-by since the bullet is too hard to upset properly & fill the grooves. One brand used to proclaim they were a "Silver Bullet" and bragged about their hardness,(they claimed 1-2 % silver in their alloy) somewhere around 19 or 20 ! And they leaded like crazy if not loaded to max magnum levels, because of the gas cutting. And once you got them over 1500 fps, they leaded ANYWAY, rather poor bullets really, and a lot of folks got turned off of cast bullets because of them. FWIW....muzzle-loading rifles use PURE LEAD which is quite soft, but rarely do they lead a barrel. (I'm talking about Minnie' type bullets, no patch involved.) It's all in the gas seal & bore fit.
    I don't load anything but 200 gr. SWC in my .45 ACP's, usually out of an H&G #68 mold. Works for everything I need a .45 auto to do.
     
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    That's a relief. I'm getting a thousand of them. I'm now set to run out of primers before I run out of bullets.
    I forget if you've told me, but where do you get your .... ingots.
     
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    I don't cast ! What I DO have, is a large, large supply of lead, scrounged over the years & located by good luck & better timing. I also have several friends who do cast, and I usually swap lead for completed bullets. One of my sources works for a series of "yuppie" car dealers, and he gets me all of the wheel weights. They were PAYING to dispose of them until I stumbled across that one:faint:and told him I'd be glad to have them. A lot are now zinc instead of lead, but that's even no problem, as one of my cousins is an avid fisherman, and also retired. I give him the buckets of wheel weights, he sorts them out & keeps the zinc for fishing sinkers, and HE's happy to get his weights for free (he only casts fishing sinkers). Like he says, fish don't know from lead or zinc, they barely know worms from liver !
    Exotic cast wheels use lead tape for balance weights, so it's not all "new" weights. We can thank YOUR governor (not sure which one) for the loss of lead weights on car wheels. :( That's one of the enviro laws that started out there.
    I also just gave away about 12 lbs. of pure tin(!) to another friend who casts. So I have cast bullets without the nasty work ;)
    Some of our machinery we built at G.K.C. used lead weights in adjustable force wheels after we quit using mercury due to the E.P.A. and now, the lead is being phased out also, and I get that as another perk. I'm listed as their "lead disposal/recycling service" so when weights come in for repair or rebuild of the force wheels, the new ones use steel weights & I get the lead.
    So I'll probably have lead coming my way for at least another 15 years or so.
    Interesting note: The largest slugs from a set of wheels looked like a DEWC for an 8" Naval Gun.
    13" long, 8" diameter, and there were 12 of those. I forget what they weighed, but it was a real "grunt" getting them out of the S-10 Pickup ! Into the truck was easy......but I don't have a forklift truck at home:dunno:
     
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    What a chain of events....
    It sort of reminds me of Tom Sawyer.
    and the freebies just keep on coming.
    :bowdown:
    That there's just funny.
     
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    I helped do some of the R&D on the lead slug wheels that replaced the mercury type, and when those were scrapped out, the aluminum castings were sold to a recycler (by me) and that $$$$ financed my 1st trip to shoot p'dogs in S.D. I was the middleman in that deal by default, right place, right time.
    P.E.T.A. just HAS to hate me....
     
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    I thought P.E.T.A. = People Eating Tasty Animals. :headscratch:
    For me, it's P.I.T.A.
    But, hey, at least you recycled. There's some genuine virtue signaling that you can do.
     
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    PETA hates those of us that eat tasty animals. LIKE I CARE.....

    Reloaders & Hot Rodders are recyclers by necessity. ;)
     
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    Us cheap bastages are recyclers by necessity.
     
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    Accused of that, guilty I am ! A pack-rat also. But there have been times when questioned "Do you know where I can get an XYZABC widget ?"
    I go into my stash of accumulated things that dates back to probably 1960 or so, and pull one out and ask "Do you need more than 1 ?" "I've got 6 of them".
    Getting down to the bottom of some of the storage, so I can pull something out of my nether regions less & less here lately, but all of it is not gone yet ;)
     
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    And the term is "Reasonably Frugal", thank you very much......:fred:
     
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    Did you have to move all of that stuff from the old place to the new place?
     
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    A lot of it is still AT the old place....when the dumpster (#2!) comes in, a lot of it will be eliminated. The big problem is getting the "help" aligned for when they're needed. Scheduling people is getting to be more & more like herding cats !:dunno:
     
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    If you live at the place where they give you a six hour window that they're going to show up in, it's not terrible. But, when it's off site, it's a tad annoying.
    I spent my career scheduling stuff. Herding cats is now listed as a skill listed on my resume. I've got no patience for it anymore.
     
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    I'll have to remember that !
    On a brighter note, we had friends over for dinner tonight. I made mussels with a sherry sauce that came out FAR better than I had hoped for. Nothing really special, the recipe just worked :)
    Auntie mad a crustless pumpkin pie, including making the custard from scratch (24 hrs ago, they were still intact pumpkins) and dinner went off without a hitch. In the words of Hannibal from "The A Team", "I love it when a plan comes together". Since Auntie don't drink, and neither does Geoff, Susie & I blew thru a nice bottle of imported Pinot Grigo (?) with dinner and everybody ate their fill.
    Now all I need is to do my back:exercise:exercises & crash
     
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    A good time was had by all.
    Sometimes a little libation helps with the workout. :smoking:
     
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    Back not happy this AM, but will survive. guess what:drowning:we have again.....and only about 50* to go with it.
     
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    I'll see your rain and raise you an air quality index of 150.
    https://www.airnow.gov/?city=San Jose&state=CA&country=USA

    I took Junior to the range today. I let him shoot .38 wadcutters out of the Match Champion and I shot .44 Special speed 240 grain SWCs out of the Redhawk.
    Strange thing was, I had a fantastic day with my right hand. But with my left hand, I was a disaster, so I just gave it a rest with going lefty. I'll get a couple of pellet gun sessions in next week to see if it's curable. :faint:
    Junior's groups were better than my groups at his age and the real plus is he likes that gun now. [​IMG]