It is rather ironic that I often used "$.02" - 2 cents worth - as my "subject" since this thread was prompted by the current thread discussing the demise of the Carrollton, Texas GSSF match. The point of contention seems to be that GSSF has imposed new financial terms that the Carrollton club finds unreasonable. A question was raised about the "numbers" with the implication that GSSF is making a killing off these matches. Do they? I went into their website (gssfonline.com) and hardcopied one set of match results, Jackson, New Jersey, and had a short session with my desktop calculator. There were 280 total entries. Multiplying that by the $25 entry fee, GSSF's gross take at that match was $7,000. Then I added up the prizes. Placing a value on the firearms awards was a problem. I settled on a figure of $350 which is what I figure is probably the wholesale price of a Glock firearm since that is what Glock is giving up to give a gun away as an award rather than selling it to a wholesaler. Adding up the 12 award guns (remember the gun they gave away in the G37 drawing, which does not appear in the results), multiplying by $350, and then adding all of the various cash awards, I come up with a total of $7,775. $7,000 minus $7,775 is a LOSS, REPEAT, LOSS of $775!!! (By the way, before those of you who don't have Economics or Business Administration degrees start to talk about Glock's "cost" in terms of production cost for the firearms as opposed to the wholesale price they forgo, spare me. Wholesale is the proper measure in this instance. Production cost is irrelevant.) So, just where is this "killing" that GSSF is making off these matches? Carrollton, did you consider the expenses GSSF incurs to conduct your match, along with the couple of dozen others? Each member gets a member package with a Glock Annual, hat, Glock Report, decals, etc. Postage for same. The total of that is probably a pretty significant chunk of the $25 membership fee. 3 Glock annuals per year, printing costs? Mailing costs? Yes, I too have been a GSSF RO on several occasions myself. Cost of the RO Polo shirts and hats? The knife, magazine, holsters, memberships the ROs get the RO gun that is raffled off, The inadequate, according to Carrollton but probably still significant, payment to the host club to do the match? Cost of those computer scoring units? Cost of a couple of hundred D-1 targets? I know for a fact a similar IDPA target costs about 60 cents not including shipping. Cost of pasters. Cost of promotional items. Cost of those canopies. Cost and maintenance of Steel. Question, Carrollton? After doing the GSSF match for 14 years, was not GSSF still carting their plate racks and canopies and whatnot all the way from Atlanta to Carrollton and back every year? They sure don't do that for their host clubs out on the left coast, now do they? Sure saved your club a whole pot of money there in steel you did not have to buy, didn't they? Creation and maintenance of the GSSF database. Costs to produce the prize gun certificates and checks. More mailing costs. Fuel costs. Airline tickets. Lodging costs for the 3 Glock employees (Rangemaster, Registration person, Armorer) who attend each match. Their salaries. And the final item. MR. GASTON GLOCK DOES NOT HAVE TO DO ANY OF IT. For those of you who do not know it, he founded and owns Glock, Inc. lock, stock, and barrel. No shareholders or board of directors. Even after 14 years of GSSF's example, NO ONE ELSE IN THE GUN INDUSTRY DOES ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE GSSF. HE LITERALLY DOES THESE MATCHES OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET. Since it does not appear to me that he is making any money off these matches maybe we are seeing that there may be some limits to how much money even he is willing to lose on them. As I said in a previous thread, Glock is not the US Government that can just gather its income by confiscating it from us in taxes. Companies that lose money do not survive. None of us is "entitled" to the GSSF progam or any of the prizes that result from it. OK, GSSF is asking Carrollton to do their match at a price Carrollton can no longer accept. For the sake of all those GSSF members in the area that have enjoyed that match over the last 14 years let us hope that another club somewhere there in Texas WILL do the match for the price GSSF is willing to pay for it.