“Hits determine grip”

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  1. Squib77

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    When shooting cheap, light, plastic pistols like Glock, as compared to heavy steel pistols that soak up recoil and flip, grip is obviously paramount. Most Glock shooters have a lousy grip, yet the gun’s design allows for exceptional gripping surface.

    So as it goes, there’s a saying that is 100% true: “Hits determine grip”

    What does that mean to you?
     
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    Grip determines hits. Hold any gun like this. Notice 3 cases in the air. Of the 4 fundamentals: stance, grip,sight picture and trigger control, grip is the most important.

    Now of course, if you are only shooting 1 round every two to three minutes, grip makes no difference.

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    Agreed. Which is just an inversion of the same point.

    Without grip, hits are accidental. If you aren’t getting hits, re-evaluate grip.

    The projectile will go where the muzzle is pointed when it exits the barrel.
     
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    Do not forget that plastic frames flex and eat recoil. Note the phenomena that the lighter Glock 21 is often precieved as softer shooting than full size steel 1911s.

    But yeah, I enjoy the low bore axis high grip of Glock over anything other than 1911s myself.
     
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    Grip equals follow up shots. Applying all the fundmentals at once equals hits. That’s my take on it. I don’t believe there is one grip fits all biometricly we are all different, stronger and weaker mechanically in different ways. Also there are a number of different grip philosophies all with great results.
     
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    What about when one of the fundamentals is compromised, like shooting around or under a barricade?

    And grip can affect triggering, which can affect the first shot as well
     
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    you still would need a sight picture, and a trigger control. If you don’t have a sight picture you don’t know what you’re shooting or where the shots are going . If you don’t have a good trigger press you can push, pull and or dip your sight picture throwing your shot.
     
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    How do you get a good trigger press?
     
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    Focus focus squeeze squeeze bang release

    Look up nubs he use to shoot pro for sti
     
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    So how do you keep from moving the front sight when doing that at speed and under pressure?
     
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    And what determines a good sight picture?
     
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    Grip is very important, but again I am not a believer in there is only one way to do something... no matter what the Master Blaster Class AAAAAAAAAA shooter is doing, not everyone is the same.

    Here is an excellent article on that....
    https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/whats-wrong-grip/
     
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    Grip but if I don’t need a sight picture why am I looking for a front sight?
     
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    To me a good sight picture is when I am able to break a shot on target. I’m not saying it has to be equal height light blah blah. But when I see my sight in a/c zone area I’m taking it. Then if you add distance it amplifies everything
     
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    So then it’s fair to say that hits determine grip?
     
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    "Hits" will tell you quite a bit about your ... grip (control, consistency), trigger press/control, sight alignment/picture, ability to focus on critical elements of the moment, being able to access ingrained skills, handle stress, familiarity with your gun, whether "you're running the gun or the gun is running you", etc.

    Think of it as a thickly layered and ever-changing Venn Diagram of factors and influences.