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EDC in a Gunfight

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#1 ·
Ever think about how much trust you really have in your EDC pistol if you were in an actual armed, defensive situation where you had to depend on your sidearm to save your life? If in such a situation, would you be happy that you had your trusty Glock 43 or would you wish that you had opted to carry a different gun from your arsenal that day. Speak from a practical situation not opting for your S&W model 29 in .44 Magnum. Under such a situation I might have wished that I would have put up with a little more weight and discomfort with my Glock 19 or Wilson EDC x9.
 
#2 ·
I am more than confident with my G19.5 or G26.3.
In fact, I carry G19.5 with 31-rd magazine.
Discomfort? Not at all.
 
#5 ·
Unless you are stupid, you'd wish you had a submachine gun with a grenade launcher. So the answer is, anybody with minimal common sense would wish they had opted to carry the biggest capacity and caliber possible. You want the most gun and ammo you can get, but you will never have more than the gun and ammo you are carrying.

That means the Glock 43 on my belt is a million times better than the Glock 20 in my car. If you can and will CCW your Glock 20 or S&W 29, then you should. But if you are going to leave that gun at home or in the car because it's too big, then a Ruger LCP would be better.
 
#7 ·
Your concerned about a little more weight and discomfort with my Glock 19 or Wilson EDC x9 !!

I guess your carry time has been rather limited or you need a better way to carry a handgun than what your doing now . IF you are a marine doctor I have to stay your not Stupid but you might be lacking common sense .

Anyway it seems to be your issues not mine . I carry a a 26 to 29 oz empty weight pistol everyday and many times I find I'll do elbow checks to be sure its still there so I guess the weights not an issue . Ha ..

So figure out what YOU problems is but I bet it has more to do with a cheap belt and holster set up . Any how its your problem to deal with .
 
#9 ·
I wont carry something I dont think I can effectvely fight with in just about any possible situation. Why I wont carry a pocket rocket or derringer or other such limited tools. So yes, whatever I carry I am more than capable with, contact to as far as I might ever have to return fire, one or multiple attackers. Imo, that is how to gage what you are comfortable with. For me it is a g26 up thru a 1911pd.
 
#14 · (Edited)
My duty belt weighed 34LBS! Not to mention the back issues and carry side sciatic and now bad leg/hip from carrying all that. After 25yrs, im in the LIGHT and simple crowd which clearly falls under everyones standards in this thread. And yes ive been shot at, at 6 feet apart and i have no problem with my decision.
 
#20 ·
A few years before I retired our agency conducted an off-duty carry combat course. You used your authorized off-duty weapon in a series of combat drills derived from actual off-duty situations from around the country i.e. drills were taken from real life situations that off-duty Officers/Deputies/Troopers had faced. Active shooter situations in big box retail stores, hostage situations, lone wolf terrorist attack, moving, running, barricades etc.

One thing became apparent rather quickly, capacity does matter. Yes, many stats floating around of 2 shots per average gun fight. The validity of those stats should be taken with a grain of salt. And often they only consider two people involved rather than multiple attackers. I went through the course with two of the Deputies on my shift. I used an HK P30sk with a 10-round mag with +2 base plate in the pistol and a 15-round P30 mag as my spare mag. Our agency 'strenuously' encouraged carrying a spare back up mag. One of my buddies carried a G26 with 10-round mags and G19 back up mag. My other buddy carried a Walther PPS with, IIRC, a 7-shot mag in the pistol and 7-round back up mag. Halfway through the course he stated that he needed to qualify with a different pistol. He ended up later qualifying with a G19.

The reason was simple, higher capacity is better than lower capacity. And yes, lots of real world gun fights only require a small number of rounds fired. But some don't. Since you don't get to pick and choose which kind you might find yourself in it's best to 'hope for the best and prepare for the worst' with the caveat that it needs to be within reason.

For me, the Sig P365 with 12-round magazine in the pistol and a 12-round mag as a spare is a nice compromise of size, weight, thickness, comfort and capacity. It's small, but I've trained with it and have confidence in my ability to use it. It was my authorized off-duty the last year or two of my career. Also in my carry rotation (for when I just feel like a change) is my G26 with G19 mag and Xgrip and spare G19 mag, HK P30sk with 12-round mag and 15-round spare mag or HK USPc in 40 S&W with 12-round mag and 12-round spare. I'll carry a third spare mag in my EDC sling bag. It's not as readily accessible but it's small/light enough to simply toss in the bag I'm going to have with me anyway. So for me, 12+1 rounds immediately accessible in the pistol is pretty much my lowest acceptable capacity. And all of those pistols, with the exception of the USPc were my authorized off-duty carry pistol at one time or another so I'm well trained with them. As far as the USPc, it's about the same size as the G19 and G23 I've also carried off-duty in years past. So I have confidence in my ability to use the USPc even though it wasn't my 'official' off-duty carry at any time (I actually didn't buy it until after I retired).

Now I will carry my LCP 380acp around the house/yard or on those rare occasions where I'm all dressed up and pocket carry is pretty much the only viable option. That's where the mantra of 'it's better to have a small pistol of limited capacity than no pistol at all' comes into play. But I'll carry a spare mag in an Ammo Armor case in my pocket. Is it ideal? No. But it does allow me to be armed when other choices aren't as practical.
 
#22 ·
My EDC is a Jframe. Not my first choice, but circumstances demand, when I am tending bar, to have something small enough to fit in my pocket, but still be capable of doing the job. If I could conceal it, I would have either my SR1911 or one of my N frame Smith's, but they are a little obvious under a t-shirt. I don't want to scare the snowflakes.
 
#24 ·
clancey if you can carry a J frame then you can carry a kahr CM 9 and have more firepower than a snubby . I know as I went from a snubby to a cm9 and quicker reloads and more than likely pocket a P365 and carry a 15 round mag back up .

OH I can easily carry a Kimber ultra 9mm with 9 round Wilson mag and 10 rounds as back under a Carhartt demont t shirt that fits well at 3:00 high on my side and I not a slender guy , Some times it far more about the holster you use .

Borrowed this from another site !
 
#26 ·
I usually carry a snub. I’m of the opinion it’s actually the best option for the most likely scenarios I’ll encounter. There are theoretically possible situations where my Glock 17 or 19 would be a better choice and the snub might prove inadequate, but I think the odds of the type of encounter I’ll face favor the snub being the better choice. I could carry both a full size auto and a snub and cover all bases, but I just can’t justify it due to the extremely low probability of it being necessary.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Odds, shmods, statistics don't mean poop when you are in the minority statistical event. If one goes by stats, non of us should bother with carrying a gun at all. In some states it is practically an act of god to get a ccw. So to go thru all that based on stats, no. I carry something that will literally handle any event & I am more than capable in my skills & tactics. So why limit my capability by limiting my tools? Just food for thought, I could care less what anyone else carries.
 
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