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Sig Sauer P-210 Carry...

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#1 ·
Just announced at Shot Show this month. I don't get it, they take a historically significant pistol from the past, the original P-210 and turn it into an 8 round CCW. I'm sure it will sell to all the Sig Fanatics. I believe they have priced it at around $1,200 bucks.

It's obvious the CEO of Sig Sauer came from Kimber. Kimber has like 10 separate size pistols, but each has at least ten variations. Also, expect a whole new series of P320's.
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#45 ·
They aren't garbage, but the P210A is MUCH different from a quality and design standpoint than the Mastershop version, much less a Swiss model.

That said, I've shot two of them now and they are accurate guns. If someone wants an accurate pistol for under $1500, the P210A Target is a good option. They just feel different than the others. I was fairly underwhelmed mainly due to comparing it to Swiss and German models.

Its for the person on a budget who always wanted a P210, but couldn't afford one. For $1100-$1400 (depending on the variant), you get a gun that looks like a P210, but uses a cheaper design, cheaper parts, and different tolerances to keep costs down.

If Sig starts offering the Mastershop models in this country again, there will be a huge price disparity, but the German models are well worth it.
You said "abomination".... what makes it so? In terms of quality will you speak specifically here? Can we be specific with reference to the parts? I'll give you that hand fitting has gone bye-bye, but that's not necessarily always a bad thing.

Honestly, I've owned and still own 1911s that put any factory gun to shame, including the older Sig P210s. They're nice, but they're not custom, where tireless fitting and even fabrication come into play. I've owned, and still own guns, from Rogers, Christiansen, Yost etc and I didn't walk up on the new Sigs and scoff.

If I wanted one of these, I'd buy a new one. I'd wager the performance would be nearly the same in 99% of shooters hands as a $4000 Wilson Single stack 1911 or even... one of the older P210s.
 
#46 ·
It will be great for making those 200 yard head shots on the active shooter at the mall.

I would buy one just to see @bac1023 roll his eyes back in his head. LOL

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#49 ·
For collectors the antiques will always win. For users, the new one might be the better choice, even at the same price.
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#50 ·
Wouldn't it have made more sense for SIG to have introduced an optics- ready variant of the P210 American? Sure, it would be ugly, but a red dot sight would enhance the P210's biggest strength, which is being an accurate, easy-to-shoot 9mm pistol.

The guys at SIG should visit Camp Perry to see how actual target shooters set up their pistols.
 
#51 ·
My knowledge and memories of the Sig 210 comes from the 1980s when I was first introduced to it. Those Sig 210s impressed me quite a bit. At the SHOT show in 2010 or 2011 Sig had a current production Sig 210 at their booth that, IIRC, they were re-introducing. I remember playing with that demo gun and thinking Sig better up their game! Was under-whelmed by the demo.
 
#54 · (Edited)
There's a LOT of mystique about original P210's, but if they were sitting on shelves at $2000 I doubt many would sell. Right had controls, heel magazine release, sights that are useless in dim light, etc. I'm not knocking them, but they aren't competitive with modern handguns for self defense.
The "new P210" is a different handgun, but it is accurate (possibly more than most originals), reliable, and has modern features.
For collectors the antiques will always win. For users, the new one might be the better choice, even at the same price.
What’s better about much more cheaply made pistol? The controls?

I know you only buy new production stuff, but you have little knowledge of anything else.

Its cool to buy the mass produced stuff, but thinking it’s always better is funny.

By the way, the German P210 first used the 1911-style thumb safety, if that’s what you’re referring to. Give me a Mastershop model for the same price as one of these watered down American things and I’ll be pretty happy.

BTW, you DO realize that the Swiss models would blow out at $2000, right? Some of those bring five figures.

There are some new production guns I love. The FK BRNO is an example. I also have a strong feeling I’ll love the Alien Pistol when it comes in.
 
#59 ·
I’m wondering if someone wanting an Uber-accurate head shot at 50 yards capable concealed carry gun is really that different from someone wanting a 16 shot CCW...

Not likely to use eithers capability, but hey if it makes you feel better...

Anyway I suspect the gun is more primarily targeted at P210 fans who shoot those a lot, thus want a carry version. Kind of like they make Commander and Officer models of the 1911. Makes sense to me.
 
#60 ·
I’m wondering if someone wanting an Uber-accurate head shot at 50 yards capable concealed carry gun is really that different from someone wanting a 16 shot CCW...

Not likely to use eithers capability, but hey if it makes you feel better...

Anyway I suspect the gun is more primarily targeted at P210 fans who shoot those a lot, thus want a carry version. Kind of like they make Commander and Officer models of the 1911. Makes sense to me.
Yep. Wilson and other high end 1911 companies sell 9mm 1911s like hotcakes. I don't get it, but they do. And those guns are a step up from even the old Swiss P210s. I'd honestly look at one of these first IF that's what I wanted to carry.





If this was a double stack, I'd be all over it.
 
#62 ·
bac, all I'm saying is that there is no locking block/insert as in the 220 in the 210A frame. I took a photo of my 210A frame to show there is no locking block there. Of course we all know that the 210A barrel locks into the slide by engaging the vertical surface at the front of the chamber, instead of twin barrel lugs like the German and Swiss guns. But the 210A barrel still rides on the slide stop as in Swiss and German 210s, and utilizes the track in the barrel feet to lock and unlock.
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#63 ·
bac, all I'm saying is that there is no locking block/insert as in the 220 in the 210A frame. I took a photo of my 210A frame to show there is no locking block there. Of course we all know that the 210A barrel locks into the slide by engaging the vertical surface at the front of the chamber, instead of twin barrel lugs like the German and Swiss guns. But the 210A barrel still rides on the slide stop as in Swiss and German 210s, and utilizes the track in the barrel feet to lock and unlock.
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I know they have a lug, but the barrel block still locks into the slide, rather than utilizing the circular grooves.
 
#68 ·
What’s better about much more cheaply made pistol? The controls?

I know you only buy new production stuff, but you have little knowledge of anything else.

Its cool to buy the mass produced stuff, but thinking it’s always better is funny.

By the way, the German P210 first used the 1911-style thumb safety, if that’s what you’re referring to. Give me a Mastershop model for the same price as one of these watered down American things and I’ll be pretty happy.

BTW, you DO realize that the Swiss models would blow out at $2000, right? Some of those bring five figures.

There are some new production guns I love. The FK BRNO is an example. I also have a strong feeling I’ll love the Alien Pistol when it comes in.
When I watch American Pickers on TV, one of the themes they use to sell their stuff is the "story" behind it. Provenance sells.
When I said a ton Swiss P210's wouldn't sell at $2000 I qualified that by saying if they were in current production. Even when they were in production, imports were very limited in the states.

Seriously, if 3 people were breaking into your house, and you only had handguns to grab, would a Swiss P210 even be a consideration? How about even if you were open carrying in a bad crime neighborhood? I say OC so you can choose any handgun. Would you carry a P210?

You think antiques are always better, except if it's a new $5K+ gun. Then it's exclusive enough to be better than the rest of the commoners guns. You sell the stories and that's a good thing. Without people like you keeping the stories alive, a lot of these firearms would fall into obscurity.
But modern materials, machines, computers, sights, etc. enable manufacturers to make better firearms than they did 75 years ago.

I enjoy shooting my Swiss P210, but it is a relative antique as far as home protection/carry goes. A friend of mine just built a G34 for me. He's a much better shot than me, and he can empty 17 round magazines into one hole at 21'. Besides the capacity it has an RMR. The nail polish on the front sight of my 210 doesn't compare :)
 
#73 ·
Wouldn't be shocking. .45 ACP is a lot rougher on a firearm than 9mm. Big boom, more boomey stuff in the case (powder, channeling my inner Tous I guess), bigger hole, more juice leaks out......

Plus the 1911 is, from what I can see design-wise, light years ahead of the 210 as a fighting handgun. Which is what it was designed to do.
What do you think the 210 was designed for? When do you think it was designed? Google is your friend.
 
#74 · (Edited)
My point is it (the 1911) wasn't designed to be a tack-driver. WWII and military examples would rattle all over the place - even Colts (admittedly partially due to wear). To get it there, you have to modify the design a bit.

My 'complaint' (more of an observation) on the Sig design from a modern handgun standpoint is that damn heel mag release. It's cool, it's part of the history, I get it. But it's just not practical. It was a European thing though - though oddly the Luger had the thumb release as well. No big deal on a target/range gun. And at this point, original 210s are more of a collector's item than something you buy to shoot the **** out of.

Honestly it's more of a testament to how forward-thinking John Browning was on the 1911 (though he probably ripped it off of the Luger) than anything wrong with the Sig.
 
#75 ·
Wouldn't be shocking. .45 ACP is a lot rougher on a firearm than 9mm. Big boom, more boomey stuff in the case (powder, channeling my inner Tous I guess), bigger hole, more juice leaks out......

Plus the 1911 is, from what I can see design-wise, light years ahead of the 210 as a fighting handgun. Which is what it was designed to do.
Are you kidding? I suggest you read up on the P210 and what it was designed for.

...and those old military 1911’s will turn to rattle traps (more than they are already) long before the P210-2.
 
#76 · (Edited)
Are you kidding? I suggest you read up on the P210 and what it was designed for.
It was designed around WWII as a military and police sidearm in 9mm and 7.65x21. First adopted in 1949. I think the Danes are still using it.

For whatever reason, Europe loved non-drop-free mags and heel mag releases. I guess it's harder to accidentally drop the mag with one.

...and those old military 1911’s will turn to rattle traps (more than they are already) long before the P210-2.
Mil-spec parts, my man. I laugh when people speak of Mil-spec as some great thing. Usually it mean "cheapest that will do the job." :rofl:

That and wartime production by sewing machine companies and a big-ass caliber.......

I'm not trying to bash on the 210 here at all - I honestly don't even know that much about it.
 
#80 ·
I don't get it. A 9mm "carry" gun that holds 8+1, and looks about as ergonomic as any gun designed a hundred years ago might be. If I want a target gun, I am sure it is probably fine as a target gun. But they already HAVE the target model, right? So now, they offer a 32 ounce "carry" gun? To compliment the 210 Target and 210 Standard?

While the 210 has history, this gun isn't that gun. For similar money, the SIG 320 XFive Tungsten gun probably shoots as well, certainly holds far more ammo, and (at a whopping 43.5 oz!), it similarly fails to qualify as a typical "carry" gun!

If I want a piece of history, this fails. If I want a target gun, why choose this over the Target 210? If I want a carry gun, it certainly won't be this big with such a low capacity.

I am sure it is a fine firearm, but nothing about it appeals to me. It is just a new gun, designed to fill some niche that SIG sees, but I one that I don't fully appreciate.

For those who have and love them, that is great! SIG just hasn't convinced me it is something I should be interested in.
 
#81 ·
I don't get it. A 9mm "carry" gun that holds 8+1, and looks about as ergonomic as any gun designed a hundred years ago might be. If I want a target gun, I am sure it is probably fine as a target gun. But they already HAVE the target model, right? So now, they offer a 32 ounce "carry" gun? To compliment the 210 Target and 210 Standard?

While the 210 has history, this gun isn't that gun. For similar money, the SIG 320 XFive Tungsten gun probably shoots as well, certainly holds far more ammo, and (at a whopping 43.5 oz!), it similarly fails to qualify as a typical "carry" gun!

If I want a piece of history, this fails. If I want a target gun, why choose this over the Target 210? If I want a carry gun, it certainly won't be this big with such a low capacity.

I am sure it is a fine firearm, but nothing about it appeals to me. It is just a new gun, designed to fill some niche that SIG sees, but I one that I don't fully appreciate.

For those who have and love them, that is great! SIG just hasn't convinced me it is something I should be interested in.
There are plenty of semi custom 1911 Officer models available that hold the same amount or less, are heavier, and more than double the price. My Nighthawk T3 is a good example. Some people like thinner single stack handguns. If the ergos on the new carry model are similar to the old 210, they are fantastic.
Sig sees a market for it. Time will tell.
 
#83 ·
I THINK this (internet grab from Rock Island Auctions) may be an original SIG P210-2 (for the damn price, it ought to be):
Close enough.

Given the A prefix designates military use, its a P49.
The P210-2 is basically the same gun though just with a P prefix.
 
#85 ·
Well, technically that is a SIG P49, the military version of the P210-2, clearly identifiable by the serial number:).
Well, it's a Sig 210-2 in the same way that an M9 is a Beretta 92. Close enough is close enough. :miff:

Tough crowd in here......
 
#84 ·
My mistake. I'm little hazy (okay, hazier than a Grateful Dead concert) on the history of SIG and did an internet grab.

I THINK this (internet grab from Rock Island Auctions) may be an original SIG P210-2 (for the damn price, it ought to be):
Well, technically that is a SIG P49, the military version of the P210-2, clearly identifiable by the serial number:).
 
#86 · (Edited)
Well, it's a Sig 210-2 in the same way that an M9 is a Beretta 92. Close enough is close enough. :miff:

Tough crowd in here......
I am not a tough Kraut, I just know and love "my" SIGs. They are not the same when you import them into the U.S. ATF will make you understand the difference and require a 5 year letter for the P49 or redline it and will let the P210-2 pass. Even though you are technically right, that they are almost identical ( but for the marking and serial number pre-fix and an adjustable trigger stop ) a P210-2 is usually more desirable and in better condition but RIA advertised the gun wrongly. That RIA gun is a second series gun of the fourth delivery, one of 93110 pistols:).
 
#87 · (Edited)
Not sure if it's been posted but I heard the cost of the new one - $1300.

For a 9mm, single stack carry gun. Not for me.

ETA - just looked into what a Wilson 9mm EDC9 costs. Twice what this Sig is. If the gun is as good as advertised Sig might just do well.

If enough people know what in the hell it is.
 
#88 ·
Not sure if it's been posted but I heard the cost of the new one - $1300.

For a 9mm, single stack carry gun.

No thanks.
I heard a couple hundred less but still a hefty price by comparison to many other carry options.

It will have a niche market. I think of it like a nice watch. You don't need a $1300 watch but people wear them anyway.

The design and function of the 210 is very appealing and I can see people with an affinity for it ignoring the greater weight, lower capacity and higher price just so they have a carry gun in the design they like.

Not for me but after shooting one I can see where someone would be emotionally attached.
 
#92 ·
I still think it's weird that people call the original P210s "target pistols" as if they are just guns that you safe queen and shoot now and then. They were issued in several countries as military sidearms, I think... that means that they are target pistol accurate and military tough, you have to include both of those aspects to really get an appreciation for what a great gun it is.

But I do get it. You come out with a more "blacked out" version that looks like a carry piece so that it's easier to distinguish from the more upscale models, and you give fans of the P210 a chance to own one that they can EDC and not go into a state of depression over if they get some holster wear and/or carry scuffs on it. I get that. I kinda dig it.
 
#95 ·
I still think it's weird that people call the original P210s "target pistols" as if they are just guns that you safe queen and shoot now and then. They were issued in several countries as military sidearms, I think... that means that they are target pistol accurate and military tough, you have to include both of those aspects to really get an appreciation for what a great gun it is.

But I do get it. You come out with a more "blacked out" version that looks like a carry piece so that it's easier to distinguish from the more upscale models, and you give fans of the P210 a chance to own one that they can EDC and not go into a state of depression over if they get some holster wear and/or carry scuffs on it. I get that. I kinda dig it.
Safe queen my ass! I shoot my SIG P210-6 regularly and it is still one of the most common match guns in many European countries, besides Switzerland. SIG P210s have to be divided into service models, like the M/49, 210-4 etc. with the regular service trigger and fixed sights and the target guns with an adjustable trigger stop, target trigger and micro click adjustable target sights.

 
#98 ·
Safe queen my ass! I shoot my SIG P210-6 regularly and it is still one of the most common match guns in many European countries, besides Switzerland. SIG P210s have to be divided into service models, like the M/49, 210-4 etc. with the regular service trigger and fixed sights and the target guns with an adjustable trigger stop, target trigger and micro click adjustable target sights.

You're arguing my point... we are on the same side here. I said that it's weird to me that a lot of people I see online seem to have the opinion that legitimate P210s are guns that you can only take to the range and shoot now and then. They have a service history that's pretty impressive considering the countries where they were in service had some pretty harsh climate that the gun had to work through.
 
#97 ·
The P210-2 was a commercial version of the military gun.

The P210-1 below was a polished blue version of the -2 with wood grips aimed at the commercial market for those that wanted a nicer looking variant.

Here's a -1 from circa 1954...




The P210-2 was a commercial version of the military gun.

The P210-1 below was a polished blue version of the -2 with wood grips aimed at the commercial market for those that wanted a nicer looking variant.

Here's a -1 from circa 1954...





Showoff :miff:

:rofl:

Nice gun.
 
#99 ·
I still think it's weird that people call the original P210s "target pistols" as if they are just guns that you safe queen and shoot now and then. They were issued in several countries as military sidearms, I think... that means that they are target pistol accurate and military tough, you have to include both of those aspects to really get an appreciation for what a great gun it is.

But I do get it. You come out with a more "blacked out" version that looks like a carry piece so that it's easier to distinguish from the more upscale models, and you give fans of the P210 a chance to own one that they can EDC and not go into a state of depression over if they get some holster wear and/or carry scuffs on it. I get that. I kinda dig it.
I enjoy shooting my P210-6 quite a bit. The indoor range I shoot at doesn't have the best lights so the dab of red nail polish I put on the front sight helps. The frustrating thing for me is that when I don't shoot good groups (usually) I know it's me and not the gun. It is one of the few firearms I own that is actually fun to clean. The parts fitment is really nice to examine.

People are making a big deal over the price of the new one, but in the scheme of things it's not that high of a price compared to Wilson, Brown, Nighthawk, Baer, or any number of other companies that make single stack steel/aluminum carry pistols. It's less than 1/2 the cost of many of those. For that matter, most people looking at those other brands to carry wouldn't want a "cheap" P210 to carry.
 
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