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Gen 5 Glocks in .40 S&W

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#1 ·
Okay, so Bac and I were talking about this in another thread. I didn't want to drift that thread too much farther so I figured I'd create a new one in the Glocking section.

So Glock hasn't produced a Gen 5 in 40 S&W for public consumption (yet). However, they are making G22.5's for the Brazilian contract. Looking at photos in articles on the pistol, it has 2-pins. The question comes up about a 2-pin design being sufficient for a pistol chambered in 40 S&W (and even .357sig perhaps down the road if they ever decide to go that far). I remember and article or video discussing the strengthened Gen 5 frame being fine for the current line of 9mm's. I don't remember where I read/viewed that information, perhaps someone has a link or links? Also, apparently Glock feels the Gen 5 frame is sufficient for the G22 for that L.E. contract. I would hope/think that Glock put the proper testing into the pistol and that it indeed is fine for the 40 S&W. Is there any information about that floating around that folks are familiar with?

My interest would be in a G23.5 should it ever be offered.
 
#2 ·
While I certainly may be wrong, I don’t see Glock introducing the Gen5 to the American market in .40 S&W. .45AP maybe, but not .40. That isn’t to say I wouldn’t like to see it myself.
 
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Glock's old school (gen1,2 and early gen 3) G17/19 frames were 2-pins and they were fine for 9mms. So if Glock did indeed strengthen their gen5 frames, I hope they did so with the .40 in mind.

I think Glock has not marketed any "civilian" gen5 pistols in .40cal because .40cal is not the flavor of the month right now. Is there any LE agency in the U.S. currently that is interested in the .40cal, specifically in gen5? IDK.
 
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I would be surprised to see a gen 5 in .40, but not shocked. Honestly, I’m content with my G-27.4. The finger grooves work fine for me. I’ve had two gen 5’s (still have a G-45) and they didn’t do anything better, for me, than the gen 4’s, and I’m still a little biased to the gen 3 guns in 9mm.
Man, if they came out tomorrow with a Gen 3 G-45 with rtf and gills, I’d be in line when the LGS opened.
The 23 (and 19) finger grooves doesn’t fit me right though.
Now, I would be completely flabbergasted to see a gen 5 in the sig round; that one is circling the bowl.


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The problem today is there are those not convinced a sturdier Glock .40 is needed. Show me, quote specifics over these last 30 years of issues negative,say those in disbelief.

This thread has posters who continue to state their wants as an appeal to Glock directly vs realizing or admitting an amended product is needed.
I suppose asking Santa Clause to bring their toy to the tree.


I believe the Brazilian 22 is an attempt to correct the past of-incorporating the 17/22/31 in one frame and all other models and platforms.

I see many now use the excuse of the 20k rounds to wear out the .40 and its replacement
cost amortized over 20k rounds as a reason to stay the course of status quo.

Regardless of my observations or others Christmas desires, Glock will release product as they see fit.
 
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I personally think the gen 5 is designed to accommodate the 40 & 357 sig with that third pin. If you look at the block in the 9mm gen 5 you can see an area right in front to accommodate that third pin. Its not used by the 9mm platform because it isn't needed. When they come out with the 40 all they need to do is make holes in the frame and the pin will slide right through the frame block. Easy to see its right there in front and serves no purpose with the 9mm platform. If you look you can see exactly where the third pin is going to go.
 
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If you look at the block in the 9mm gen 5 you can see an area right in front to accommodate that third pin. Its not used by the 9mm platform because it isn't needed. When they come out with the 40 all they need to do is make holes in the frame and the pin will slide right through the frame block. Easy to see its right there in front and serves no purpose with the 9mm platform. If you look you can see exactly where the third pin is going to go.
Gen5 G17, G19, G19X, G34, G45 pistols ALL use the same Locking Block (part 7894) that had already existed many years for Gen 4 and many Gen3 G19, G23, G32 pistols, and Gen3 G38 pistols.

The Locking Block used in ALL Gen5-ish pistols (except G26) is therefore only a legacy of earlier generations that used the Locking Block Pin and should not be interpreted as a Gen5-specific part that was purposefully designed to accommodate future Gen5 models that would need a Locking Block Pin.
 
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it would make no sense to split their product lines apart by putting 2 pins in 9mm and 3 pins in 40/357. yeah all they have to do is drill an extra hole in the frame, but logistics.

so the Gen5 9mm's have 2 pins, the Gen5 G22 for the Sai Paulo Policia has 2 pins and a heavier slide, I think we're looking at the future of things. they must have decided that a heavier slide has more desirable characteristics (handling? wear?) and 3 pins are unnecessary, and decided to go that route. they can continue using the same part with the extra hole for all gen's.

we'll find out when they come out with Gen5 40's and 357's. they will sooner or later.

I'm sure they won't do that with the large frame 10 and 45's. they won't make a bigger slide to compensate.
a heavier slide makes alot more sense and should have been done 25 years ago.

i have a g22.3 and a g37.3

my reloads for them are in 40 a 180 grn armscor fmj over 5.2 grns of alliant green dot. velocity is 925 fps

for my 45 gap its any plated 185 grn bullet over 4.9 grns of tightgroup velocity is 900 fps.

the g37.3 is noticeably easier to shoot over the g22.3. the g37 has a heavier slide than the g22.
 
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I personally think the gen 5 is designed to accommodate the 40 & 357 sig with that third pin. If you look at the block in the 9mm gen 5 you can see an area right in front to accommodate that third pin. Its not used by the 9mm platform because it isn't needed. When they come out with the 40 all they need to do is make holes in the frame and the pin will slide right through the frame block. Easy to see its right there in front and serves no purpose with the 9mm platform. If you look you can see exactly where the third pin is going to go.
Neither the “23X” nor the Brazilian G22.5 have the 3 pins, so not likely.
 
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it would make no sense to split their product lines apart by putting 2 pins in 9mm and 3 pins in 40/357. yeah all they have to do is drill an extra hole in the frame, but logistics.
That's not a good argument.

After 1991 all models except those in 9x19mm and 380ACP used the Locking Block Pin. For 9x19mm pistols, the G26 was introduced with LBP in 1995, the G17, G17L, G34 were provided with LBP in 2002, and the G19 was provided with LBP in 2003.

So, for several years the use of LBP varied not only between Glock models in different calibers but also by specific models within the 9x19mm product line.

The LBP prevents Locking Block rotation (rocking) around the Trigger Pin as the slide assembly cycles. Historically that begins to damage the frame polymer around the Locking Block when significant calibers are used in extended service. Despite all the recent claims that the Gen5 frame assembly prevents this damage (including such claims about the new ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever design), I have seen not one shred of rigorous explanation what EXACTLY is the design change that eliminates Gen5 frame Locking Block rocking that differs from pre-Gen5 generations. I am not confident that in-service experience with future Gen5 models using significant calibers will not once again reveal the need for the LBP.
 
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Yes, but does it come in coyote tan :)
 
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I want to see a G23 Gen 5 but not with the heavier slide like the G22 Brazilian model.

I'd also like to see a G23x with the G22 grip and the G23 slide, but in black unlike the 19x.
I still want a .Gen 5 357 sig With a 'Glock perfect ' drop in .49 S & W barrel in one box .

Model # ?
 
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