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G17M available from Lipsey's (not yet in stock)

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#1 ·
Lipsey's has four part numbers listed for 17Ms:

PM1750333 and UM1750A03 (change the ending 3 to a 1 for the 10rd variant). All are listed as having Agent sights vs the Bolds. MAP pricing is $627. I have my Lipsey's rep on the lookout for me.

I currently have no information about these other than that. Just a heads-up for y'all/
 
#128 ·
I'm confused. He pictured a PD gun that has the M after the 5 and toocool said his does NOT have the M after the 5... so why are you saying that the Lipsey's guns are the same at the PD gun pictured?

All signs are pointing to the fact that these are newly manufactured pistols assembled specifically for this run with the 17M stamp... perhaps because they were sitting on a pile of non-bevelled frames or whatever. I don't "need" a Glock 17 right now. I would hate to miss out on a limited overrun, but I also don't want to be duped into ponying up the $$ for just a tarted up gen5. I only wish I knew which one these are. :-(
I see what you're saying. The IMPD has the "M" barrel the Lipsey's doesn't. Also, the IMPD doesn't have the NDLC internals. My 19M has the NDLC internal coatings and the M barrel.

IMHO it appears these are an older batch of M slides and not a special run of M's. The M's were introduced before the Gen 5 was released. Since the Gen 5 was released there have been several enhancements including redesigned breech face cut, 47021 Ejector, beveled frames, filling the cut out front strap to name a couple.

The 17M from Lipsey's has the old breech face and 30274 Ejector. I realize those were the spec'd parts for the M series, but I can't see Glock changing back from new styles breech face machining to make a batch of guns. Maybe they did, but I would think that would be cost prohibitive. This is speculation on my part, but it gives us something to talk about.
 
#129 ·
If the only real differences between the 17M and early gen5 guns are the rollmark, the coated internals, and the limited availability... and the internals aren't coated on these... then it's the limited availability that would make you want to buy one. Unfortunately, if that availability isn't all that "limited" (or we don't know for sure), then we lose the incentive to pick one up at the premium price (like triaxle mentioned, akin to SIG's M17).

As for tooling up for a batch of guns using "old" style parts, I suspect that you're probably correct. However, it depends on the way the specs were written for the LE / FBI contracts. Take the military M9 for example. The commercial Beretta 92FS has had rolling changes to it since the '80s when the pistol was adopted by the military. However, the M9 was a static snapshot in time... and all M9s used to fulfill any sort of contract after that point had to be the SAME pistol since that was the pistol that won the contract.

Like you said, this is just something to talk about and is all speculation. However, if the FBI said *this* is our gun -- the 17M as is since this is the configuration that won the contract -- then all future orders under that contract have to be the same gun unless they approve the change. The new breach face and new ejector wasn't tested by the FBI during the contract process so they along with any other rolling changes make the 17M not really the same 17M that was contracted. If that is indeed the case, they it would require Glock to continue to deliver the "old" style gun until the contract expired.
 
#135 ·
I would get one while you can . I think they will be like the Austrian G/19 . I have no idea how the M guns got out but I bet when they are gone they will be gone .
While none of us have a crystal ball it is far easier to buy on now (they cost the SAME as a Gen5 with Ameriglo Bolds) and have it rather than wait until they are gone and wish you had.

Could Lipsey's order another round of these? Yep. May they never be seen again? Yep. Could there be a back story that greatly appreciates their value down the road? Yep. May it be that they have no collector appeal down the road? Yep.

Welcome to proactive collecting.
 
#138 ·
Perfect!
 
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#136 ·
My LGS has a few in stock for $599, good price but I would just buy it for a collectors value, but it still sounds like the "collectors value" is up in the air!
 
#137 ·
I think collectors value is definitely up in the air.

I think these are just freaking awesome guns in general. For that price I think you're getting a great gun that may or may not have future collector value just depends on how many are sold.
 
#139 ·
I read somewhere, but now I can't find my source (sorry, still looking)that the FBI's initial contract was for 15,000 guns but on took possession of 13,000. Hence these coming out. I'll keep looking for my source. So if this is true then only 2,000 of these will be available.
 
#144 ·
Well, with the new 17.5s replacing the original 17.5s the 17M May be a new Lipsey’s standard offering. Again, this is all crystal ball stuff - except for the GLOCK employee reading this and laughing their ass off.


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#143 ·
I read somewhere, but now I can't find my source (sorry, still looking)that the FBI's initial contract was for 15,000 guns but on took possession of 13,000. Hence these coming out. I'll keep looking for my source. So if this is true then only 2,000 of these will be available.
True FBI contract guns have DLC internals. These are not true FBI contract guns.
 
#145 ·
I think the Glock employees would not be all too thrilled thinking that they had gotten very special and unique guns only to see a bunch of them released...
 
#149 · (Edited)
Just picked up my 17M and the internals sure appear to a different coding, DLC????

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#150 · (Edited)
Just picked up my 17M and the internals sure appear to a different coding, NDLC????

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They appear to me to be the same as my non-DLC 17M internals. Further, the number on the strike is the same.

Here is a true FBI 19M with DLC internals. When I say true FBI gun I mean one that was actually delivered to the FBI under the contract. Note how dark and obviously different the DLC parts are a well as the different number....

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The difference between these internals and those on my 17Ms (Lipsey's and Glock guy's) are starkly obvious. The trigger bar in this gun is DLC coated and jet black as well.
 
#153 ·
I bought one of the lipsey's guns as soon as I saw them.

I don't know whether I should keep it to see how many they end up selling or shoot it or just try to get rid of it...
 
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