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Laundry/OC time.

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Yesterday I went to my laudramat to do my biweekly laundry. I OC'd my G19. Well someone called the police on me. The LEOs showed up and promptly told them that OC was legal.
 
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It is pretty easy to just pull your shirt over the gun, no drama.
 
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Never have been a fan of OC. You are telegraphing your pistol location and mindset. Can that be an advantage as to the local thug to be afraid that you are armed? Answer unknown, as I cannot speak of the Criminal mind. The thug may be scared to react, of he could wait for you to walk outside w/ a basket full of clothes and waylay you w/ a 2x4 in able to steal your pistol and use it on you, or someone else in the future.
No, I consider it a better idea to carry concealed. You then have the element of surprise to your advantage. Ifr nothing happens, then good. If something does happen, then present to possibly fire, depending on the scenario.
If a person has a handgun, and wants to carry it, they should get some training before they go to carry. It only makes sense.
 
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I live in Arkansas, where local legend, the governor, and a fuzzy interpretation of a legislative bill (Act 746) says that open carry is _supposed_ to be okay. We do have a large and mostly Democratic population that panic at the mention of any firearm. So, I went out and earned one of the new "enhanced" carry permits, and always carry concealed, even in the many places which are otherwise prohibited places under the standard carry rules.

I don't go to Little Rock unheeled, but will always have my G19 or Shield 45 at hand. But some recent training has caused me to upgrade my tactics a little; as a load of laundry, or even something else may not be worth taking a life unless the other feller is clearly resorting to deadly force theirselves. So the "OC" part of my equation is Oleoresin capsicum, or the pepper spray (currently Sabre Red) that I carry now in addition to my concealed sidearm. Gives me some options, starting from the "Managing Unknown Contacts" tactics, to the OC if non-lethal, and keeping the deadly force optain at hand, just in case...
 
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If you do OC, do you have a retention holster, do you know & practice gun retention techniques?
 
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Open carry is the social justice warrior crusade for white men in their 20’s with noting better to do. Strong overlap with the Alex Jones fanbase.

I wouldn’t brag about getting the police called for drawing attention to myself. Having a pistol displayed on your hip in an urban setting is and ought to be as socially acceptable in our society as walking around with your privates hanging out of your pants.

Every I see somebody walking around with a pistol flopping around in their nylons OWB holster, I am mighty glad to have my concealed pistol 1.5 seconds away from deployment if need be.
 
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Congrats on the attention you got. Is that what you were after ?
Why were you trying to prove a point that doesn't need proving?

I'm not a huge fan of OC, I have my reasons. To each his own I guess.

The biggest opportunity the anti gun crowd has is to divide gun owners, and the issue that has greatest potential to do just that is OC.
 
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Congrats on the attention you got. Is that what you were after ?
Why were you trying to prove a point that doesn't need proving?

I'm not a huge fan of OC, I have my reasons. To each his own I guess.

The biggest opportunity the anti gun crowd has is to divide gun owners, and the issue that has greatest potential to do just that is OC.
I OCed at the Lmat because I was washing my cover shirt. Not to show off.
 
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The problem that I have with open carry in this setting is that you give up partial control of your life.

I don't know how many of you are familiar with a website called Democratic Underground but at approximately the time that people were open carrying in Starbucks and people were protesting for open carry in Texas a bunch of people on Democratic Underground got together and decided that if they ever saw anybody open carrying they were going to call the police. They said they were going to give the police an accurate description of the person and then tell them that he was behaving in a threatening manner with the gun that he was waving around and he was pointing at people that he was acting erratic, whatever they had to do to get a SWAT response.

Perhaps some of you are familiar with John Crawford? He was the young black guy who was killed in a Walmart I think in Ohio because he was walking around with an unboxed BB gun. The guy that called the police on him admitted that he lied. He told the police he saw Crawford pointing the gun at people. He told the police he saw Crawford's loading ammunition into the weapon. To those of you who don't know Crawford was black. The 9-1-1 caller, who was never charged by the way, later admitted that he did it to "teach the ****** a lesson" (his words not mine.) The police thought they were coming to an active shooter incident and that's why they basically showed up and shot Crawford on sight.

Righ, wrong or indifferent if you open carry in that situation you have no control over whether or not somebody's going to do that to you.

Approximately 4 years ago there was an active shooter incident in Colorado Springs where the shooter was walking down the street with a long gun in his hands. Multiple people called the police and told them about it. They were all told that's legal in Colorado there's nothing we can do about it. Then the guy started shooting people.

How do you think CSPD rolls on a man with a gun call now?
 
#24 ·
It’s not really a big dividing issue, since experience tells us that less than .01% of carriers are Open Carriers. Hopefully sensible folks can shame the OC’ers down to .001%. Image matters, and this kinda nonsense really stands to erode the gains 2A legislation has made in the last decade. Maybe once national reciprocity is passed, has been challenged and prevailed in SCOTUS, then we’ll have the luxury of dabbling in such petty culture wars.. forcing the general public to behold our deadly sidearms.

There’s a reason the LGBT activists didn’t take up petty stuff like tranny bathrooms until after their main battle was won.
 
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I went to clear out a rental a week ago. I always go out to the properties armed, OC if I'm going to be working, and the neighbor called the cops on me because "a man with a gun was loading a transit van."

Sheriff showed up at HIS house, had a chat with him, then came over to me and asked if the guy was harassing me.
If I see someone I don't know loading up a truck with the neighbor's stuff, I will make a call as well...unless they are ****ty neighbors.

Regards,
Happyguy :)
 
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I’ve said it before and will say it again - OC laws are good for those occasions when the wind blow your shirt open in the Walmart parking lot - some states without OC laws give one the impression that they would crucify any law abiding citizen carry concealed legally if the gun was accidentally exposed. Social justice crusaders give me very good reasons not to trust them or their motives. The ends justify their lies and underhanded means. Just turn on the news. If someone is going to legally carry a firearm in some place other than a range or sporting scenario, keep it covered up. It’s no business other than your own.
 
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In most states, unintentional showing if your gun is not in violation of your permit. Its sloppy but not illegal. I am fine OC on the range, your own property, business or home, just not my public space. No sense getting 1/2 the people in the country all worked up so you can be comfy or look tacticool or just being lazy. Really, how hard is it to pull your shirt over your gun, iwb or owb??
 
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To each there own I guess, I just know I will never be the dead fish "going with the flow" because of people feelings. I say good on yah for actually carrying your firearm. "Shall not be infringed sounds pretty dam crystal clear to me." Most of gun owners are hippocrates and just bugs the crap out of me. If you have a problem with it there is plenty of crap country's out there that would love to tell you how, when and what you can do.
 
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Congrats on the attention you got. Is that what you were after ?
Why were you trying to prove a point that doesn't need proving?

I'm not a huge fan of OC, I have my reasons. To each his own I guess.

The biggest opportunity the anti gun crowd has is to divide gun owners, and the issue that has greatest potential to do just that is OC.
I wont say that all OCers are the same but living in an open carry State I have had the occasion to interact with some. In addition to speaking with them personally, observing them in public, observing their "open carry meet up's" and reading their comments on-line, I have come to believe that OC is more about how it makes the carrier feel about themselves and less about anything related to self defense.

If the activity is legal and a person wants to participate in it.. have at it. I wont pretend that a person participating in a fringe activity in spite of many obvious potential perils will not come across as odd, curious and concerning to me,...they are. Although not always, I generally walk away after a momentary observation of their overall manner.
 
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Not trying to pick your post apart just an observation of part of it and some others posts: I think people sometimes confuse someone who open carries and open carry groups...

I do open carry, I’m not a part of an open carry group which may tend to use open carry rights to spark controversy. There’s a difference between going to the grocery store open carrying and a group of people open carrying and showing up at a starbuck’s to try and “prove a point”...
 
#39 ·
Guy had it in his back pocket. Of course someone is gonna grab it. If you wanna play the asp video game there is a video of a guy grabbing a off duty officers gun which was fully concealed in an apendix holster and the guy came from behind reached right around right to it and shot the cop with it. Cant play the what if games cause they are a double edged sword. I open carry in a safariland 070 level 3, and as you stated before, They TRIED to get your gun from you wich means they were not successful in doing so due to a good holster. Not every OC use a garbage holster bud.
 
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Why does it matter? I promise you that if they'll go after me in full uniform wearing body armor they'll go after you in your cargo shorts and Glock 42.
this is the best quote in the thread.
 
#42 ·
It doesn't matter how good, smart, big, and experienced you are, there is someone out there who can overpower you and take your gun.

I am not big, only have limited training on retention, have issues with my knees, shoulders, back, strength, and probably can't take a punch like I used to.

OC would not be a wise choice for me except in limited circumstances.

Regards,
Happyguy :)
 
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#43 ·
I guess I'm left wondering - "so what?"

Before I get accused of being anti-OC, etc, I will OC on usually 2 occasions - 1) if I'm bicycling (because it's about the easiest way to do so and still have access), 2) when I go hunting (which includes a trip to nearby gas station/convenience store).

Personally, I view having the police called on me as a possibility. Not everyone is used to the sight of someone other than the police walking around armed, although the above-noted gas station folks see it all the time. So, I've learned to accept that it may mean a little extra time in my planned activity.

I've not been stopped and questioned while OC'ing; however if it does happen, I don't view it as an issue with the police. They are paid to 'protect & serve' and someone has called them. What do you expect them to do? 'No ma'am, we're not going to check it out. People can carry guns legally. I'm sure all you saw was a law-abiding citizen exercising their rights.' Of course they will respond. And guess what? They might is even be cautious in how they approach you?!! Walk in their shoes...would you be cautious? Nah, I'd just drive by, wave, and tell dispatch that all is okay.

Do I fault the person for calling? After all, I'm not doing anything wrong. What's the deal with this nosy busybody?! Sorry folks. You need to accept that there are many threats that have the general public concerned. It's not outside the realm of reason to expect someone may look at you and get scared. In areas where OC is more common, the negative reactions are likely less prevalent.
 
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Why would you call them "ignorant"?

The world is so dangerous you can't leave your house w/o a gun..... yet an unknown person with a gun is no possible threat.......
I don't know ANY of you guys. I see a hundred more guys I don't know that I DO know in gun stores.

This place sounds more like snow flake millennial convention just about every time I log in here. Next time you see some you don't know not breaking any law but gives you that funny feeling, try the cry closet instead of 911.

My rights don't end where your butthurt, feelings or phobias begin. If you are that frightened by free men exercising their RIGHTS, stay home.
 
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I don’t go into drug houses or on high risk warrants... and those environments people are willing to fight to avoid long prison sentences
if you do not go to any of those places or do any of those things.. great. It doesn't mean that bad people with bad intentions will stay out of the places that you do frequent. If it were as simple as all that, we would all easily avoid crime in general.

Criminals by their very nature will often times react or behave irrationally. Many do not have good impulse control, reasoning or common sense. Others may even be suffering from mental illness, gang influences, addiction, emotion of the moment, perceived dire need or other crisis circumstance. Don't think that a violent criminal will always avoid violence or "the fight" simply because carefully weighed logic deems it foolhardy, reckless or unnecessary. Most violent crime is unreasonable on its face when you weigh risk vs gain vs consequence. If criminals and crime in general had a sense of measurable logic to it, most crimes would not occur. Violent Crime is rarely about logic and it is rarely carried about by reasonable people.
 
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Why would you call them "ignorant"?

The world is so dangerous you can't leave your house w/o a gun..... yet an unknown person with a gun is no possible threat.......
I see what you're saying. I think someone who posts here called the cops on an unarmed guy in the kids park, possibly because he had no kids with him.
We don't know what Ralph looks like. He may have those crazy eyes.

 
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