The two items that there is a sea of companies claiming one is better than the other. Essentially, I am trying to turn my Gen 4 19 into a tack driver worthy of a competition firearm.
I have figured out everything else, but this is the complicated aspect. Not everyone can be the best as they claim. So, it leaves far too many options.
You definitely don't need an aftermarket barrel as the OEM is going to be more accurate than you unless you can duplicate Ransom rest groups, off hand. I'd compete with my 25 cent trigger job Glocks in a heartbeat. The actions are wonderful...no need for an aftermarket, wallet unstuffer.
The actions are anything but "wonderful". The one thing that you can definitely improve on a Glock is the trigger. Watch some videos by Johnny Glocks to understand what can be done easily to make you firearm better.
I have the heavier Gen Guide rod figured out. Who is going to do the CNC cut out for the Trigicon RMR, where I can get suppressor sights. I am simply trying to add a solid more match accurate barrel and trigger. The last two there are A LOT of options.
Oem barrel is gtg
Although kkm and a few others group really well with 147grain if I remember correctly
After technique, grip tape and fiber optic sights The trigger makes the next biggest difference afaik
We'll she how she holds up. Looking to put holes in holes like I used to do when I had a Berretta 92F. That could drive some 9mm. I did end up order a KKM, but they have a 6-7 week waiting period. I wouldn't mind a friendly IPSIC game like we used to do with head to head on range days on circle ping targets. The range guys were always tricking out their triggers to play, against stock triggers. Might be nice having the edge rather than stock everything.
Sacrificing reliability for theoretical accuracy gains. And I really don’t think that a striker trigger can ever be made smooth, so people should just learn how to use one properly.
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And I really don’t think that a striker trigger can ever be made smooth
Do some more checking--the trigger on my G29 is 3lbs & has a Storm Lake barrel. Other than having a noticeable recoil w/my hot reloads(13.5 #9/180gr cast) its a jewel to shoot.:dancing:
Assumes OEM is more reliable. When both barrels are 100% reliable then there is no reliablility penalty. But I also agree that for most shooters there may not be any accuracy benefit, either.
I think aftermarket barrels are a way for gun builders to source a barrel when they don't yet have one. I certainly wouldn't replace an OEM barrel except if a caliber conversion.
I bought an American Tactical threaded barel for my G19, only because I needed it for a suppressor. Works great, drops right in with no fooling around, but didn't notice an accuracr difference - even though the rifling is different than the Glock's.
Just for $h!t$ and giggles, I put a Bar Sto drop in barrel in my Gen 2 Glock 21. Then, I put my stock barrel back in, put a target out at fifteen yards and put up a tighter group than I'd ever done with the aftermarket barrel. I left the stock barrel in the gun. The Bar Sto barrel is reserved for shooting lead and bragging rights.
And, I have competed at the top of my class in PPC with my stock Glock 34.
Here's a little Glock 9mm comparison that I wrote up (G26, G19, G34). They're all very competitive. http://chronosscifi.com/threeGlock9mmsVer2.html
Just for $h!t$ and giggles, I put a Bar Sto drop in barrel in my Gen 2 Glock 21. Then, I put my stock barrel back in, put a target out at fifteen yards and put up a tighter group than I'd ever done with the aftermarket barrel. I left the stock barrel in the gun. The Bar Sto barrel is reserved for shooting lead and bragging rights.
And, I have competed at the top of my class in PPC with my stock Glock 34.
Here's a little Glock 9mm comparison that I wrote up (G26, G19, G34). They're all very competitive. http://chronosscifi.com/threeGlock9mmsVer2.html
Attend a gssf match and watch some of the top shooters rock with a stock glock. You will soon discover all the fancy mods are not going to get you the same place dedicated practice and skill development will
I did a trigger job on my Glock 34, Gen 4 with the kit Apex Tactical sells. I got the premium kit with the replacement trigger, about $130.00. I installed the parts as I have with several S&W M&P's which I had fantastic results with, not so good with the Glocks. After installing the kit, shame on me for not recording the trigger pull before starting, I got a roughly 4.5# poull which as I remember was as good if not worse than the original, I have no idea. I took out the parts and polished to a mirror every facet of every part of anything that came in contact with anything and ended up with a 3 pull average of 3# 6.6oz, and a really good trigger reset compared to the original. From my investigations, this pull is very good for a Glock even after a trigger job so I guess I'm satisfied but not thrilled. For some reason Glocks don't respond very well to trigger jobs.
OH and my original equipment barrel is a tack driver that has no problems at all with lead bullets. Now this might be because the 34 is a Competition Gun.
The G34 is just the standard small frame 9mm (G17) with a longer slide and barrel that just fits the USPSA Production and IDPA SSP/ESP Division box. The G34/G35 also come with a 3.5lb connector and a G21 mag release, which you can put on any small frame Glock.
I saw a show with an interview with Bill Ruger. He was talking about people changing barrels on the 10-22 rifles.He stated that his Ruger barrels we're as good as it gets. .Another posts says it's 95 percent shooter and 5percent equipment. I totally agree with that statement
I agree that the majority of competition success lies within the shooter not the firearm. However part of the "mental game" of developing your confident mindset may be supported by enhancements to your competition gun. If you're building a race gun for competition and can afford it, rock on. I caution however, once you do a trigger job or any mods beyond sights it is not advisable to use as a carry weapon. You open the door for the civil suit that will follow even a clean shoot to the victims attorney arguing you may have had an AD due to the non-factory trigger pull resistance. I have a G34 race gun for competition and nothing but sight upgrades on my carry guns. Good shooting!!!!!!
I purchased Glockstore's Pyramid Trigger for one of my guns. It worked so well that I bought one for every one of my GLocks. G17 x3, G19, G22, G30sf, G31 and G34.
If you just want a custom g19 then by all means go for it, but understand that it's not cost effective. Common mods are night sights ( tru glow tfx on my g19 ) & triggers ( zev on g19 & apex ). Those roughly double the investment but I'm happy with the results. I agree with the post that the pistol is more accurate than shooters are. Barrel swap, if your going to shoot lead rather than jacketed I could justify the cost. Part of the fun ownig a glock is the 3rd party support. If you have friends with mod glocks see if you can shoot them, you find out what you like & don't like as there is a lot of personal preferance. Also you might want to shoot it stock for awhile, see what you can do with losts of range time, you might suprize yourself. Enjoy your 19.
Your'e not doing too bad of a job of trolling, but not a great job either. I like the semi-Yoda speak with deliberately miss spelled words, especially the use of IP(sic). In the US we shoot USPSA competition, where a G19 would suck. It's only real home is in IDPA CCP Division. But since you don't have the fundamentals down: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control, it won't matter. Your aftermarket parts won't help you, it will, however, help the companies who make those parts.....
This part is really made for people like you. Designed to work for shooters without fundamentals because it's magic. And what's the magic? No front sight..
. All BS. I started with cooper in 1967. When where you old enough to own a handgun? If you actually shot competition you wouldn't ask all these retarded questions.
For action style shooting like IDPA, Glocks are among the best especially considering the price point. However, if you want a tackdriver like for bullseye shooting, then customizing another model gun would probably serve you better than a Glock. There are just too many factors that make the Glocks reliable and soft shooting that work against you as well as the striker fired trigger.
The only reason I would change a barrel is to shoot lead or as a caliber conversion.
. All BS. I started with cooper in 1967. When where you old enough to own a handgun? If you actually shot competition you wouldn't ask all these retarded questions.
You are the reason people hate Glocks. If I ran into a sand kicker like you out there, and I was considering a Glock, I wouldn't just because of your attitude. Questions are not retarded, considering there are nearly as many as many aftermarket tools for Glocks as their are for AR-15's. Have a great day being a dick somewhere else with some one who cares.
What's a sand kicker? Some kind of hill billy speak? You are the one who came hear asking questions. I am the one answering questions based on over 50 years of competition and training, although with only 26 years of Glock and 25 years of 1911s. It is more than obvious, to even the most casual observer, that you have no experience at all in competition, have never shot a competition match, and probably never will because you will find out how really bad you are. Aftermarket gizmos will never make up for the fundamentals: stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control, movement, transitions and splits. But it does certainly increase the revenue of the places that make aftermarket stuff....
Weighing both my options. But, I definitely plan on using at the range regularly.
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