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Glock 30 Gen 4 back to the mothership for OOB strikes

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#1 ·
Well, drat.



I traded into a Gen 4 G30 about a month ago. The guy said it only had 50 rounds through it, and the wear was appropriate for that. I figured it would be a fun, reliable gun.



No joy. It got several out-of-battery/off-center light strikes during the first 150 rounds I put through it. All factory ammo: Remington, Federal and Winchester. Also would get the slide stopping not-quite-in-battery, though I could never duplicate this by slowly easing down the slide while pulling a round from the mags.

I pulled the top end and tore it down and confirmed there was no goop up the striker channel. Extractor seemed fine. No improvement.



Here are some rounds that shot okay:


There seemed to be some flashing on the left rear slide rail, so I trimmed it down. Replaced the recoil spring assembly with a brand new one. Tried it again with the original barrel as well as a Lone Wolf extended barrel (just in case there was something weird with the factory barrel's chamber). Same issue.



There wasn't anything wrong I could see with the (OEM) trigger bar, so I replaced most of the top end (striker spring, cups, extractor, plunger assembly, firing pin safety) and tried again. Same issue.



Checked here and found the frame is from 2014. Sigh - I understand they had some frame/slide rail issues then. Called Glock and they said send it back. No, they won't send a return label - gun's too old. Poorer by 83-odd dollars and irritated after two trips to different UPS customer service centers (the first one wouldn't take it based on some problem they'd had in the past that the man at the counter wouldn't explain - not that the website shows that), I wait in hope that Glock will set it right.

First problem I've had with one of these since an early G33 back in the Nineties. The heck of it is that it's a dandy and accurate gun when it runs. Wish me luck!



 
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#4 ·
It sure sounds like your diagnosis is on the mark.

Did you try shooting it with your weak hand only. Sometimes we ride the slide unconsciously with our thumb and between that and maybe something else slightly dragging or inhibiting feed (in the extractor, spring, plunger, SLB area for instance), we get OOB conditions.
 
#6 ·
Good luck.

Although the party line is a Glock can't fire out of battery, I had a friend at a club I shot at frequently that had a G21 which would balloon case heads with the lightest loads as it fired enough out of battery to cause the head to bulge out like a balloon. I believe Glock fixed it but I never heard what the root problem was in the first place.
 
#7 · (Edited)
OP: The following are unlikely but take only a few minutes to check.

1. Is the groove that runs side-ro-side at the top of the Slide Lock facing to the rear? If the slide lock has been improperly inserted in the frame with its top groove facing forward, the slide assembly will not go completely into battery. It will **look** like it's in battery, but it isn't until the SL gets installed properly.

2. Check that the Trigger with Trigger Bar is correct. The trigger bar MUST have that alignment bump on the right side of its firing pin safety actuating arm. ALL generations of Glock 45ACP trigger bars since 1990 have and require that alignment bump, but sometime creative idiots file it off for a "better trigger" because Glock does not make a bumpless trigger bar for 45ACP (or 10mm) pistols. After that, the flexing trigger bar may not always align properly to adequately lift the firing pin safety...light primer strikes are then possible.

3. Check that the Firing Pin Safety and Spring are not worn or damaged.
 
#16 ·
Well, this was a frustrating experience. I sent my gun on the 30th and got the emailed confirmation from UPS that it was received at 0900 on the 31st. On the 5th, I hadn't heard anything, so I called Glock. A guy said I should call back on the 7th, because the gun hadn't made it into the system yet.

On the 7th, I called back and talked to a grumpy guy who didn't volunteer a thing the entire call. Yes, it was in their system. Yes, it had been "triaged" and was waiting to see an armorer. When I asked when I could expect to hear something, he said "We're quoting a two- to four-week turnaround." When I asked if I'd hear something, he wanted to know if I'd sent them an email address. Of course I had, along with my phone number and a detailed letter explaining the issues and what I'd done so far. He said, "They'll email you a tracking number." I asked, "Will they tell me what was wrong?," and he said, "They'll give you a list of parts." Thanks so much for all your help, sir; I'm sorry your gun didn't work and I deigned to trouble you about it. :eric:

All incorrect. Today, no email, no phone call - a doorbell ring when my wife just happened to be home. How fortunate because . . . Oh wow, it's my Glock! What was wrong with it? No way to know . . . here's the packing slip.



It's as if they are taking customer service lessons from HK. :eek:kie:

Anyway, I haven't been home to see it yet. I hope to get out with it on Saturday and I hope the thing works. Boy, if this were my only experience with a Glock, I'd be pretty down on them as a breed.
 
#17 ·
Communication is so important to customer satisfaction. Its not a big secret. Don' know why so many companies fall down when it comes to keeping the customer informed. Too busy? Too successful?

Anyway, glad your gun is home and I hope it meets all your expectations.
 
#21 · (Edited)
A 2014 production G30, huh, Erich?

Check the numbers on the trigger bar w/trigger that came back in your older G30. They may have just installed the current 4256-3 trigger bar in your G30. They'd gone back to using the same, but new, trigger bar in new 21/20 & 30/29 guns a couple years after your used G30 was produced. For a short period they were using a different trigger w/trigger bar for the 21/20 (4256-2) & 30/29 (4256-1) models.

I was told that this was after some revisions to the length of the cruciform (longer, for more compression of FP spring), and the height of the vertical extension in some trigger bar production (to decrease potential interference between FP and FP safety plunger in some guns, meaning slide-to-frame clearance), but specific details weren't discussed regarding dimension changes.

I didn't see any noticeable marking of the base of the vertical extension in the pic you posted, but that doesn't mean the height of the one in your older gun wasn't a bit out-of-spec for your frame/slide fit. It also might've just been the angle and light in the pic made it difficult to see if there was some interference between the slide and angled surface of the vertical extension. I've seen a couple different degrees of it.

Unsurprising they didn't list the specific parts by their own part numbers on the packing slip. It happens (and not just with Glock ;) ). Since the new "part" is only referenced as a Service Part for a Gen4 G30, I wondered if it might be a current revision trigger w/trigger bar (and/or even another RSA). Just curious. The proof is whether the off-center/light strike & failure-to-return to battery issued is resolved.
 
#22 ·
I think part of Glock's CS issue is the whole concept of "Glock Perfection" means they can't admit imperfection. I sent in my G19 years ago that was doing the phase 3 malfunction deal. They "serviced it" and wouldn't tell me what they did/changed, but it never did a phase 3 malfunction again.
 
#23 ·
Hmm.

Well, it came back in a used case (it did not go out in one), and the plastic frame appears the same (comparing oddities in the part number etching). However, the mag is different and the rear slide rails look different. There were some fired cases in the case, too. I hope they shot more than just these. The trigger bar and connector look the same, but the pull does feel different (more Glock like) to me (FWIW). They did not re-lube it with the magic bronze stuff.







After

Before (but after I trimmed it)


Let's hope!

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#25 ·
Well, just got back from the range. "Perfection," my ass. :noevil:

First magazine, the new one they sent me. Same out-of-battery light strike.



I'd note that they sent me six pieces of brass. Amusingly, I was able to get off six rounds before the failure.



It's as if it had never gone back at all . . . see any difference between the failure from before Glock and the failure after their masterly interventions?

 
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