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Renewed my CCW and no Glocks on the List

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#1 ·
It was time for my two year renewal for my CCW and I had to qualify with the guns I wanted to carry. For the first time in 8 years, I did not put a Glock on the list.

Even though I never really carried the Glocks I put on my CCW (G26 and G36), I never liked the bulk associated with the two.
 
#88 ·
I had the misfortune of renewing a little too late in OC. I had to re qualify as a new applicant after the shall-issue stopped, meaning I had to show just cause, which I passed, phew...

But part of the investigation of my character, an investigator shows up at your home to verify residency. The kicker is I was, with no warning, I was called and told the investigator was on the way to my home, while I was working. I had to rush home to meet him to show the investigator mail with my name on it. He was also interested in seeing my safe.

CA has a lot of hoops to jump and the vetting process is intense.
At least my county has a lot less hoops to jump through. They run your DL, check NCIS, and the S/N on you guns. For purpose, all you have to put is SD.
 
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#90 ·
A shield instead of a Glock 43? Why? The 43 is a better gun and lighter (you did mention bulk).
A 43 is not on the approved roster. I had to pull a rabbit out of the hat to get a 42.

If I could get a 43, I would have and probably would have put it on my CCW. That's the problem with this state. Plus they have the micro encoding requirement on all new guns. That's why we are stuck.
 
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#91 ·
I was amazed, when in my Orange County, CA, Sheriff's CCW initial interview, my investigator looked at his computer screen and knew every gun I own. Even the first revolver I bought in the late 80's. And also how he was encouraging he was about citizens who want to carry. I really felt good about that.

I have a lot of contact with LEOs through my work and have never felt any negative attitudes from officers who know I carry.
Did you ever register your gun's? If not, that shows the BATFEA does have the firearms record's in a database. Did they know of any that you bought privately?
 
#93 ·
I was amazed, when in my Orange County, CA, Sheriff's CCW initial interview, my investigator looked at his computer screen and knew every gun I own. Even the first revolver I bought in the late 80's. And also how he was encouraging he was about citizens who want to carry. I really felt good about that.

I have a lot of contact with LEOs through my work and have never felt any negative attitudes from officers who know I carry.
Wow, so the paper records from the 80s, made it to today??? I assume you've lived in CA all these years? That says something about CA's need to track her "subjects". I rather doubt the Feds have kept and digitized paper purchase records from the 80s or last week for that matter.
 
#94 ·
Two-year renewal?

Guns on a list?

What backwards communist state do you live in? I would never live in a state that required me to tell them what gun I am carrying! That is just bizarre! :-(

On a lighter note, however, what gun are you carrying?

FYI, I live in the great state of Florida where I was born and raised! :)

S&W
Florida is on the list of places to relocate too. My uncle and his kids live there in Melbourne.
 
#98 ·
I feel your pain. I escaped from that socialist sanctuary in 1992. Gave myself a raise (no more state income taxes/pricey fees) and peace of mind.
 
#96 ·
Not to upset anyone, but is periodic qualification a bad thing? I know lots of folks who don't get to the range very often (my LE friends included)...and it would be nice to know they can hit a big paper silhouette 10 times every two years. :freak: I think more people than we realize... buy a handgun, shoot it once (maybe), and feel they are ready to carry. As for ammo controls and being forced to list your guns on a permit...that's too much Big Brother for certain.
In concept, I would love to know that fellow armed citizens meet a mental and physical standard to carry a gun to keep all safe, but...

It won't work that way. Any qualification allows rules to be made that can also be used to restrict and deny, and therefore I choose to resist allowing the nanny state to create rules, because "banning by bureaucracy" is a very real threat, and a slippery slope.

Another question to ponder regarding any qualification: Let's say an 82 year old former Marine sometimes drives to his nearest grocery store in an area that has high rates of crime. Let's say he uses a cane. If he can't qualify for a state qualifier because he struggles to hit a target at 10 yards due to his old age with a snub-nosed revolver and unsteady hands, are we to prohibit him from carrying a .38 special to use at five feet to defend himself against an aggressor in a grocery store parking lot, if attacked? How does hitting or missing a paper target at 30 feet negate his need for defense at arms' length?

Who decides?

What is reasonable?

Should we put Dianne Feinstein in charge of a committee to create these fair and reasonable rules for our safety (and the children!)?


This thread has been eye opening. Even states I assumed were more free have been overrun by restrictions. I left Illinois years ago to go to Indiana, and I am very thankful I did!
 
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Well, glad I'm not living in Cali. I got a permit here in CT back when I was 21, and just renewed it every 5 years since. They just issue one "Permit to Carry Pistols or Revolvers" here. You can carry concealed. The only "qualification" was what was included in the NRA basic pistol class, successful completion of which was a requirement for the Permit.

IIRC, we had three handguns, a Browning Buckmark, a .22 revolver (maybe a Taurus?) and something else, I can't remember. You just had to keep them on the paper (well maybe within the 7 ring, I don't know, I was in the black) with whichever gun you shot with, and had to exhibit basic gun handling ability...pretty much just show you could load, shoot and unload the thing without pointing it anyone else or putting a round into the ceiling. They discussed CT law on deadly force and gun safety. I mean, it was a perfectly good course, but pretty basic stuff.

I fail to see the point (other than to aggravate us) of having to list which guns you will carry on your permit, or of being restricted to only 2 or 4 or whatever. There is no such requirement in CT. And having to qualify with each gun every couple years? I mean, OK, the State can argue that it wants to make sure you can hit what you are aiming at (though I suspect they would actually rather you didn't...) but who would carry a gun they couldn't shoot? Let's say you can't hit the broad side of a barn with your S & W 36, so you show up with your Browning Hi-Power. And you have the .40 since the 13 round 9mm mags are prohibited in CA right? You ace the qual course, since the HP is pretty sweet, right? Great! You can carry your .40 HP instead of your .38. I'm sure that will make your not-so-gun-friendly politicians really happy. :)

I'm curious as to what level or proficiency they require? Distance? Type of target? Timed? Passing score?

The reason as i see it is they want you to be able to saftely use that weapon as intended, i had to qualify in the military with every weapon i carried / could / would use , so i don't have any problem with it, on the flip side there are probably a lot of folks out there that havn't fired there carry weapon in years & more than likely not rotated to fresh ammo ?
 
#105 ·
Outside CA I am good because I have a NV CCW which states all revolvers and semiauto but you only need qualify with one now. Five years ago, you had to qualify with one semi and one revolver to have that endorsement.
 
#100 ·
Not everyone in the PRK is from the liberal coastal areas. Those of us from the rural, agricultural interior areas are just as, if not more conservative than the residents of these states. One of the major misconceptions people have is that we all follow the SF/LA liberal line of thinking. The libs live along the coast, for the most part, and unfortunately, they are about 65% of the population. So, in short, don't believe the BS about California refugees bringing their liberal mindset with them. Kinda painting with a broad brush.
I know not everyone in Kalifornia is a *******; but I so, so rarely meet one here in the hinterland that isn't. The whole reason Colorado is turning blue is so many Kalifornians have infested the Denver-Boulder area that they out vote Coloradans; and they are all so opinionated. Had a couple approach me sitting in a restaurant maybe 18 months ago and ask if I were a cop (I was OCing), I said I wasn't. Then it was "Well why are you carrying a gun if you're not a cop? This would never happen in Los Angeles". I just said "Welcome to Free America; enjoy your visit; and make sure to go back where you came from".
 
#108 ·
Had a couple approach me sitting in a restaurant maybe 18 months ago and ask if I were a cop (I was OCing), I said I wasn't. Then it was "Well why are you carrying a gun if you're not a cop? This would never happen in Los Angeles". I just said "Welcome to Free America; enjoy your visit; and make sure to go back where you came from".
I would have said, "We're not in Los Angles, are we?"
 
#102 ·
There are two good ways to resolve your problem. One, is to elect conservative 2nd Amendment supporting politicians. The second is to move to a state with gun owner friendly laws.
I live in North Carolina and getting a CCW is very reasonable and you can renew via the internet. We can carry our guns into bars as long as we don't consume alcohol. We also allow any legal gun owner to open carry. We can hunt with supressors. One of ou r Congressman Richard Hudson sponsored a bill that passed the House and is in the Senate that is called the reciprocity bill. If this bill passes the Senate, any CCW permit or in the case of states with no permits required to carry concealed will be valid in all states just like a drivers license. By the way, there are plenty of good jobs available in North Carolina. Lower taxes and cheaper houses.
 
#103 ·
I also have Nevada which is every five years. There, you only have to qualify with one gun and you are good for any other handgun. But no other state has reciprocity in CA.

I am very fortunate to live in a CA county that issues CCW licenses. I think SF has issued less than 50 as well as LA. Most are the judges, retired police chiefs, and at one time Dianne Feinstein had one.

My CCW is good anywhere in the state and I spend a lot of time in SF. The downside of SF is that they make it illegal to possess certain makes of ammunition so I have to check for updates occasionally.
So glad I escaped The PRK. I got out exactly 1 year ago, and couldn't be happier. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done, but it was well worth the financial and physical sacrifice to regain my freedom.

Literally, the first thing I did when I arrived in my new state of residence (Michigan, where I was born and raised), I removed the bullet buttons from my ARs, removed the mag lock from my AK, and promptly loaded then inserted 30 round mags into each of my rifles. I then loaded my handguns with some standard capacity magazines.

I lived in SF for 3 years, and San Diego for about 12. I'm guessing you got your CCW issued through Napa County. If I remember correctly, they no longer have the "3 gun" rule.
 
#106 ·
I too was born in Michigan.

No, I'm north of Sacramento in the farmbelt. I too plan on getting rid of my bullet buttons, bring out my 20 and 30 rounders, and breath a sigh of relieve.

I lived in LA County for almost 20 years and moved north when things started going badly for gun owners. When I worked in Daly City and SF (for almost 10 years), I had an apartment on Powell, but kept my address where I live now so I could keep my CCW. It was worth the expense.
 
#107 · (Edited)
I just clicked to find out what this mysterious "list" was. I didn't realize any states still did that. Also learned there are places you have to qualify every time you renew and you have to do that every 2 years. In Kentucky, you qualify once with any gun when you're 21 and when you're 91 you can still conceal anything from a derringer to a belt-fed machine gun. No permit required if you don't want to conceal them.
CA revised its CCW licensing laws back in '99, subsequent to that mess involving the CoP of Isleton (Sacto delta area) having been supposedly "selling" licenses to people from all over the state. Some of the revisions to the law included having to apply in your city/county (if in uninc area) of residence, and each concealable firearm to be listed on the license has to be registered to the licensee (violation can be a misd for carrying a firearm not registered to licensee).

However, while the state's standard license only had 3 lines for listing firearms (it fit nicely), there wasn't/isn't a DOJ or statutory restriction to the number of firearms which may be listed, and there's plenty of space to add more than 3. (I've known of licenses which listed more than then the 3 in the normal spaces, up to 8 on 1 of them, I think, and it takes some creative typing in spaces.) The number allowed is left up to the issuing authority (CoP, Sheriff, etc), just like any additional carry restrictions any issuing authority may wish to impose on a licensee (above those stated in the standardized DOJ application). I've heard of some counties restricting the type of firearms permitted (revolver, pistol, single actions, etc), as well as the calibers permitted (think "minimum" and "maximum" calibers).

The CCW license periods are 2 years for the standard license, 3 years for those issued to judicial officers and 4 years for active LE reserves who have completed an academy but who aren't employed as "designated L1's", but only regular L1/2/3's. Designated L1's are determined by the appointing authority and may possess 24/7/365 peace officer powers "off-duty" from their regular reserve activities. Their reserve ID cards can list CCW authorization, just like a regular general peace officer (and language covering LEOSA, depending on how the agency wishes to handle that for its reserves), so they don't have to go through the CCW licensing requirements. This also means their approval of any choice of personal "off-duty" weapons and qualifications are usually covered by the agency's policies and procedures for sworn staff, versus whatever might be used for CCW licenses in that jurisdiction.

The laws were renumbered in the PC 2 or 3 years ago, but since I haven't wished to be involved in teaching CCW classes anymore and I haven't kept up on the latest changes that might have occurred to them. Many SO's have been outsourcing the classroom training for CCW licensing (and even the qual part of the requirement) to approved local "vendors", and accepting the certificates (and range quals, when desired).

Another thing that sometimes seems to confuse the mix here is that the PC has a requirement for the CCW privilege of honorably retired general peace officers to be reviewed no more than every 5 years. (There are other exceptions, like for the peace officers retired from the CDC, who have a much shorter review and qualification requirement.) While the 5 years is the statutory maximum period, some agencies have imposed a shorter limit on their review (and any renewal qualification requirement), and I know of agencies who require renewal of retirement ID's every 3 years. This only affects retirees after 1980, if I recall the date right, and those who retired before that date are exempt from the periodic review and renewal requirement (not that there may be a lot of those older retirees either alive, or who may desire to continue carrying a concealed weapon, or are able to still physically handle one).
 
#113 ·
... those who retired before that date are exempt from the periodic review and renewal requirement (not that there may be a lot of those older retirees either alive, or who may desire to continue carrying a concealed weapon, or are able to still physically handle one).
A Korean War Vet I know is also a retired lawman here in CA. He retired 40 years ago and still totes around an ancient Colt revolver. Lots of old timers carry even if they are in wheelchairs and are attached to an oxygen tank.
 
#110 ·
No
As I sit here in Wyoming reading about renewing CCWs and qualifying, just enjoying freedom with a Glencairn whisky glass of Baby Stagg. The only reason I need a CCW is to travel out into the commie states, and to renew all I have to do is write a check.

Oh, and did I mention no state income tax:flag::cheers:
No state income tax!! I got to talk to the wife about moving. LOL.
 
#111 ·
Proficiency test up to individual instructors. Basically, show you are safe, both handling the gun and hitting your target. Not a numerical thing. Here, have to shoot 100 rounds initially and 50 to add a gun. 50 rounds from a S&W 500 was a bit rough. Distance is 7 yards, standard silhoette target. One instructor basically said what it takes to fail is muzzling him.
When Mrs Mtnfolk75 did her last re-qual it was a 1 on 1 due to some scheduling conflicts on both ends. They spent the whole 4 hours working on presentation from waistband & shoulderbag. She shot maybe 20 rounds from her G26, none were scored.
 
#112 ·
I have Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Arizona Permits or Licenses. Only Nevada required any kind of qualification. I live in Oregon which does not recognize any out-of-state permits or licenses, most other states in the west will recognize Utah's and New Mexico will honor Arizona's. I avoid Kalifornia, not one toenail touching it. I have resided in Hollywood, Pasadena, and Sierra Madre at one time, so I know it can have it's allure.
 
#116 ·
You can go back to my post #43. The first three words on my post were “Ten years ago”. You are posting a link to today’s information. So yes what I said was true.

I also said Nevada “had” no reciprocity, (still talking about ten years ago). I did not say Nevada currently has no reciprocity with any state. I also said the law is different now.
 
#130 ·
Have you ever thought about other CCWers taking action against a robbery when you are in the vicinity? Like you are parked at gas pump #1 and 20 feet away at pump #3 a robbery is in progress.

Something to think about ..
 
#121 ·
I also have Nevada which is every five years. There, you only have to qualify with one gun and you are good for any other handgun. But no other state has reciprocity in CA.

I am very fortunate to live in a CA county that issues CCW licenses. I think SF has issued less than 50 as well as LA. Most are the judges, retired police chiefs, and at one time Dianne Feinstein had one.

My CCW is good anywhere in the state and I spend a lot of time in SF. The downside of SF is that they make it illegal to possess certain makes of ammunition so I have to check for updates occasionally.
Pray tell why in the world would Dianne ‘Ban Guns’ Feinstein need a CCW ?!?! [emoji848][emoji23]


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