It has come down that Service revolvers will no longer be authorized for carry by members of the NYPD as service guns effective the summer of next year. The few officers who were grandfathered in, the last academy class authorized to carry revolvers as their service weapon was in June of 1992.
They will have choose between the three current authorized service pistols:
Glock 19
Glock 17 ( 15 round magazines)
Sig 226
I think there are less than 200 people with a Service revolver left and the range is tired of catering to them. I thought they would have just let them phase out from retirements.
I’m sure it’s going to be an interesting time for the range instructors teaching crusty old cops ( most would have rank or detective shields) who will have no problem telling they have more time on the toilet than the instructor have on the job. Or the reasons why they kept the revolver including their shootouts with it.
If these guys wanted the “ fancy new guns”, they could have switched years ago.
I mean, if I had to choose between a revolver with a nice trigger and speedloaders and a higher capacity pistol with pretty much the worst trigger ever conceived, I can't say I blame the revolver guys.
I guess the janitor got tired of sweeping up and sorting .38 Special brass from 9mm brass. I guess it just boils down to someone getting lazy in one form or fashion, and complained, hence, the new rule..........ain't that the way it always happens?
At some point, NYPD will, no doubt at the request of the firearms unit, and based upon a budget proposal concerning keeping parts for more than one brand, etc., finally get down to one brand - Glock. And, that is not a bad thing. It is only a matter of time.
It could be but the numbers are low for maintenance that they could farm it out or make the person with the broken gun switch then. They did that with the holsters and ALS system.
It might be part of the decision.
I think it has more to do with the course of fire. It’s different than the semi auto and arraignment for each of these guys to come out and shoot from their normal dutiesmight be the issue.
SIG doesn't make the 228 any longer. 229, yes. 228, not since the last run of M11s for the military.
And, the more important reason - ammo capacity does not match the magic number - 15. All NYPD semi-autos for duty have to have 15 round mags. That was the case when the three were the G19, the 5946NY and the 226NY. It is still the case with the G17, the G19, and the 226NY. That is one of the reasons why Glock makes a 15 round mag option for the G17. Another reason is that some states have a magazine limit of 15 rounds.
Just curious, as an aside, why the requirement to download the 17 by 2? And therefore, why even include it?
I still keep a snubby (model 49 bodyguard) in the rotation. It is inferior to my Glock 30s and Shield 9 in just about every conceivable way but I love it so. I understand the sentimental attachment to wheel guns but for duty use they really are a bad choice.
Entrenched, Institutional Stupidity, FTW. Their reasoning is the 17 fits large-handed MOS better, and they insist on commonality of ammo capacity across all weapons.
I bet they don't have an armourer who can maintain them anymore or will soon no longer have an armourer who can. Or maybe the cost of ammo is getting high and it is a budget move. 38 used to be about a dollar less than 9mm per 50. Now it is in 45ACP range or even higher.
It has come down that Service revolvers will no longer be authorized for carry by members of the NYPD as service guns effective the summer of next year. The few officers who were grandfathered in, the last academy class authorized to carry revolvers as their service weapon was in June of 1992.
They will have choose between the three current authorized service pistols:
Glock 19
Glock 17 ( 15 round magazines)
Sig 226
I think there are less than 200 people with a Service revolver left and the range is tired of catering to them. I thought they would have just let them phase out from retirements.
I’m sure it’s going to be an interesting time for the range instructors teaching crusty old cops ( most would have rank or detective shields) who will have no problem telling they have more time on the toilet than the instructor have on the job. Or the reasons why they kept the revolver including their shootouts with it.
If these guys wanted the “ fancy new guns”, they could have switched years ago.
My God, how times have changed. I started in the 79 in June of '82. Took me all of four days to be shot at for the first time. How did I ever survive with a S&W Model 10 loaded with 158 gr. sem-wadcutters? FTS fought against the troops getting semi-autos tooth and nail.
My God, how times have changed. I started in the 79 in June of '82. Took me all of four days to be shot at for the first time. How did I ever survive with a S&W Model 10 loaded with 158 gr. sem-wadcutters? FTS fought against the troops getting semi-autos tooth and nail.
Revolver armorers are going the way of the Dodo bird, and they have to maintain spare parts and ammo supplies as long as the revolvers are authorized. With the number of MOS dropping so low, maintaining the ability to support them is a serious financial drain on resources that could better be supplied elsewhere.
Maybe not. There are a LOT of cops in the NYPD who are simply not gun people. Just observe the firing line on Rodman's neck for an hour and you will see what I mean.
Ok some one please clear this up for me. You can carry a 17 or 19. You can use a 17 magazine tin the 19 but won't the 19 magazines be to short to fit in the 17? So if my partner carries a 19 he couldn't give his magazine if I needed a reload?
One thing I did always like better about revolvers was the holsters, I had a Hoyt and I would love to get an AE Nelson frontbreak for my 627 pro. Were you pretty restricted as to what sort of revolver holster you used in NYPD?
Absolutely; the only accepted revolver holster was made by a company called Jay Pee. It was an unmitigated piece of crap that looked like a colostomy bag hanging off your side. It came in a swivel model for RMP use and a foldover flap model for Mounted, Highway and ESU.
Both: NYPD retirees in good standing automatically receive a full carry permit if they reside in NYC. If they reside outside off the five boroughs they are on their own obtaining a permit. No matter where they live NYPD will not provide the necessary yearly qualifications for LEOSA. Those like myself who still reside in the city seek out authorized vendors who can administer the course of fire for a fee.
Seems to be a cyclical thing. Cops were dealing with the same kind of crap from admins and the public back in the late 60's/early 70's. The politicians keep pushing for and supporting the idea of "cop-free" zones. After they get what they ask for, it won't take long for them to change their tune.
Sad part is, is that it will take a few years to get back to normal......
Huh? I thought it was saying they were using Glock 19 15-rounders in both the 19 and 17. Since they had the 19 first, they wouldn't have had special 15-round mags for those and the only way to use those mags in the 17 would have been to cut the grip down.
Absolutely; the only accepted revolver holster was made by a company called Jay Pee. It was an unmitigated piece of crap that looked like a colostomy bag hanging off your side. It came in a swivel model for RMP use and a foldover flap model for Mounted, Highway and ESU.
The one I have is in good condition considering how old it is. The one thing it had going for it was the gun takeaway counter move it had. You could trap the guy’s hand withthe holster.
And the Swivel holster made it comfortable to ride in the RMP ( patrol car).
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