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Glock - Microsoft - Apple - They Work - Leave Them Alone

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#1 ·
The title says it all!

I have a couple of Gen 2s that are like new that I barely want to shoot, thinking of collector value. Then I think, "This isn't an old Colt Single Action Army, it is the ultimate tool that fires bullets." "Shoot em." They work flawlessly like Gaston Glock intended. I have always been able to hold one correctly so I never had brass to the face anyway. Everything else is Gen 3s.

Then my son comes along and just has to have a Gen 4-19. Well, it looks neat, two colors, though I'm old school and a "basic black" kind of guy---with guns. I started thinking that I like the looks of that and maybe I want one. Then I read that the Gen 3 trigger is better. Hmm...

Gen 5s are barely off the line and like Glock with new stuff, has issues.

I wish these great companies would just leave what works alone? Microsoft Windows several versions back was great. I just bought a brand new Dell Optiplex to avoid exposure to Win 10 for at least five years, per service agreement. My I-Phone 6 works great! Now there is the 7, 8, and now X.

Quit screwing up good "tools!!!!!"
 
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#4 ·
To some people the Glock is like a Blank Canvas an they need to be Rembrandt ( or Da Vinci)


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#5 ·
I also love the gen 2 glocks. Reliable as can be. I now own four gen 3 pistols, zero issues with my glock 36 , my police trade in 31 gen 3 seems excellent except for the stupid finger grooves.

No plans for a gen 4 , but I shot a gen 5 g19 and I was impressed by the finish and it worked well. The trigger was far better than other glocks in my opinion. I had zero problems, but the ambi slide stop was not useful for me, but was not a problem. I like the no finger grooves as it is exactly like my gen 2 in the grip. There are a lot of changes from he last four generations of glocks... but so far I am impressed. Just because something is new and different does not in any way make it bad.... I still love my 1911’s so something in an older design can also stay awesome.
 
#9 ·
Love the Gen 5 series Glocks, but completely agree with the comments about Apple and Microsoft. Been using computers since the days of DOS 2.0. MS had a great OS with XP, Apple the same with OS X 10.6. Now both have been messed with to the extent that they no longer "simply work." This is especially true for Apple, since that was one of their claims to fame. And yes, I have used Apple products since System 7 right along side my MS systems as well. I am currently at OS X 10.11.6 "El Capitain" and IOS 10.3.3 on my iPhone 6s. I'm staying right where I'm at until equipment failure requires a change.
 
#10 ·
Remember the sole reason why these companies exist: to produce increasing share value and dividends for the stockholders. That happens when they stir the pot every few years with "new" generations and iterations. Its the same reason that your grocery store rearranges the shelves on an ongoing basis, with occasional massive makeover where the entire store is rearranged. With real or imagined "upgrades", revenue is increased.




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#11 ·
There are some things I don't want to see messed with....classic pre-lock Smiths, Les Paul guitars, etc.

Glocks don't fall in that list in my opinion, and thankfully Glock Inc. doesn't think that way either.

Yesterday afternoon I spent several hours at the range with a co-worker. We spent the afternoon comparing our newly acquired Gen 5 17s to our issued Gen 4 17s. The differences were night and day for both of us. Both Gen 5s skunked the Gen 4s in accuracy when shooting groups. The Gen 5s also hands down beat the Gen 4s on the timer doing various speed drills with single and multiple targets.

This is only my second time out with the Gen 5 17, and I only have 362 rounds through it, but I am extremely impressed with the Gen 5 series. Very impressed compared to my Gen 4 17.
 
#17 ·
These companies work for the shareholders, delivering product to customers.

Microsoft - the product is control. The customers are, still to a great extent, corporate IT guys. Not the cream of the crop decision makers. Microsoft appears to be doing a split transition to a half-Google/half-Apple model, appealing to individuals and advertisers.

Apple - the product is ease and effectiveness. The customers are mid to affluent individuals who will pay 20% more for something that works 50% better. Each upgrade is an inarguable improvement, released when the tech AND the market are ready.

Google - YOUR time and attention is the product. The customers are advertisers. Google builds systems that sell your time and attention to advertisers.

Glock - The product is, in my opinion, consistency. I have a Glock 17 Gen 1 CL prefix that I've carried for 25 years, firing tens of thousands of rounds. I can walk into any gun store in the US and buy a Gen 3 or 4 17, or 19, or many others, and know that it will work EXACTLY the same way, take down the same way, fit the same holsters, use the same mags, etc. If I scored a (for example) 98.71 on a ten thousand round shooting test with the old Gen 1, I'd probably score between 98.69 and 98.73 with the next Glock 17 to come out of the factory.

Keep in mind that many (most? all?) of the changes in Glock generations were demanded by large volume end-users. It wasn't Glocks idea to add a superfluous ambi slide stop to be used as an ambi release, or any of the other Gen 5 features. It was a requirement to submit for MHS. And once developed, why not put them on the market and let the user pick Gen 3, 4 or 5.

I'd say the only true improvements from Gen 1 to Gen 5 have been:

1 - RSA. From 3,000 duty cycle to 10,000+
2 - Non-rotating firing pin safety, eliminates need for Gen4 trigger bar positioning bump.
3 - Coiled slide lock spring rather than leaf. One part for all size guns, part is cheaper to make, less prone to fatigue, already used elsewhere in the gun. Though I do think you are far more likely to drop/lose that part than break it.
4 - Captured coil slide stop lever spring rather than bar spring. A little more idiot proof.
5 - 42/43/Gen5 trigger spring assembly. I'm not sure what led to this. Maybe Glock sees a lot of S springs fail when they are misinstalled as Z springs?
6 - Dust cover rail.

Plus minor, retrofittable geometric or metallurgical improvements to parts.

2, 3, 4,5 were all outcomes of the Glock 42 then 43 development.

It's an incredibly stable product line. You might see more variation from 1986 to 2017 on a product like a Solo cup or a trailer hitch ball than on a Glock 17!

As to working for the shareholders... Gaston is 88. The ownership situation is somewhat opaque to us. I haven't heard anything in a while about the ownership lawsuits. I wouldn't be surprised if "Stay the course" is not the overall mantra at Glock. A loss of Mr. Glock, or an outcome in the courts that affects ownership, could trigger a period of turmoil at Glock followed by a period of rapid change in the product line.

Or it might not!
 
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