So I brought my wife to the range for the first time to shoot my Glock 19. She has quite a nice......shot.....LOL. Some dudes showed up next to us and were shooting some BIG rounds. You know the ones that u feel in your chest. Kind of made my wife step back. I told her it is what is is honey and just shoot. But then she stopped again and told me she was being hit by the other guys shell casings. So my questions to the Glock world here is this. How far down the range, or over the table in front you, do you normally reach when shooting? I am NOT by any means a "Regular". I have shot just over 5 to 700 rounds so far at the range so most of this is new to me. The shells from the other shooters gun next to us were flying into our lane and landing on our table and us soemtimes. Is this normal and expected or should I have politely asked the guy to move back? His pistol was being fired beyond the protective glass which gave the shell casing a perfect projected path over to our lane and sometimes hitting us. Is this something that is expected? The only reason I ask is my wife stopped shooting until the guy was done saying she was getting hit by his shell casings. I'm confused here. Thanks for your replies.
It's a ongoing issue a thousand times a day. One of two choices to be made. Depending on the amount of ports you have if possible move to his left as much as possible. Or take a small break an ask him how much longer they will be. You can't get upset as sooner or later it'll be you in that position.
I'm having a hard time visualizing what was happening. Were they actually holding the gun forward of the firing line? It's not so much etiquette but, rather, safety that you don't. Maybe with the huge rounds they were shooting it was actually better that they were holding the gun farther forward (ever shoot next to someone with an AK-74 brake on their rifle?).
Loud noises, hot brass, and idiots are just things you have to learn to deal with. Just wait until they're reloading before stepping up to the line.
Yes I have this happen....."A lot". The shells of the shooter to your *left* enter your lane.
I simply step back and usually the "neighbor shooter" will see my actions and curiously ask me if something is wrong. After a quick explanation,the problem is corrected...no harm-no foul.
On other occasions,a simple talk with the RSO will correct conditions.
Agreed.
When I run hot 10mm loads sometimes those cases fly 30 feet. I try to use the pits but if I end up in lanes I'll take the far right. Asking someone to move vs moving yourself, I'd always opt to move myself if getting hit with brass from another's ejection port.
I haven't shot at a public range for a very long time. Just the difference in the safety proficiency of AP shooters compared to the general public is enough.
However, for some folks it is not practical to be a member of a private range - due to proximity, interest (number of times per year shooting), and/or club cost.
To the OP, if the shooter is behind the lane dividers [enough to eject brass into your lane]- ask them [politely] to move forward. Don't interrupt their shooting - wait until they need to reload or take a break.
Brass showers happen all the time. It's just part of going to a gun range, either public or private. As WeeWilly said, move to another table if you can.
It happens occasionally and I've even been guilty without realizing it. At indoor ranges sometimes the brass bounces off the ceiling or the track on the target retriever and ends up in the lane to the right.
The shooter next to you probably has no idea this is happening - politely mention it to them and give them a chance to make a change. Another option is to request the lane on the far left of the range and be willing to wait until it opens up if they are busy.
This is the problem. At a properly designed indoor range, it's impossible for someone to be so far forward that their cases can get past the partition and it you or get over the top of the partition and hit you. There are three local ranges that I have shot at within the past year. Two are properly designed so brass from neighbors isn't a concern. The other has partitions that are the smallest I've ever seen. The flying brass really doesn't bother me, but trusting my life to the person standing next to me that I don't know is a worry. I shoot at the other two ranges far more often.
I only shoot outdoors since joining a private range. The pistol range has no lane dividers. Everyone must go through a safety course and renew that course every 3 years. It's nice not shooting around inexperienced people. It's safety 1st always and members are very good about it.
Quote:So my questions to the Glock world here is this. How far down the range, or over the table in front you, do you normally reach when shooting?:end Quote
To get back to the original question you asked.....
The *muzzle* of the vast majority of indoor "partitioned firing lane" shooters that I have witnessed and including myself,...is positioned well within "said firing range partition" and not extended past these confines.
The table at my current range ends about 6" shorter than the side walls.
Some folks tend to "lean" on the table with their stomachs for support,arms stretched out well past the table or wall ends. This is how the shells enter a neighboring lane.
At outdoor ranges with "No Partition separation" this distance between shooters varies. Rifle tables can be 5-8' away to each side,hand gun as little as 2-3'.
It is what it is unfortunately. Move to another lane if one is available. That's really your only option. The more you shoot the more you get used to getting plunked by brass. I don't even hardly notice anymore.
It happens when the divider isn't high enough or the lane is too narrow (trying to squeeze too many lanes into the space). That can be solved by the shooter moving closer to the right wall (of course then brass bounces off the wall, and onto the shooter). Look for a range that wide lanes and full length dividers. Preferably bullet proof glass dividers. I remember one range in Atlanta, had a bullet proof glass divider that took a shot from someone mishandling their gun. The shooter got a $3000 bill (to replace the divider), and got banned from the range. Probably had to pay for a big dry cleaning bill as well.
If there are empty lanes, ask if you can move to a lane further away. When I shoot indoors (infrequently), I try to get the lane against the left wall. That way I don't have concussion on both sides, and don't get brass from a neighboring lane.
You (or anyone else) should not reach past or extend the muzzle past the far end of their shooting table while there are other shooters on the line. That goes while shooting, changing targets, or retrieving brass (some places will let you use a small rake to retrieve your brass).
Really, some of the reasons I prefer to shoot outdoors if possible.
It is normal and most shooters are not aware of this. A polite conversation with the other shooter usually corrects this problem. If you shoot enough, you might be guilty of doing the same.
I move the divider if possible. Couple range trips ago my first two rounds were plinking the guy next to me in the head. He was bench rest shooting his bolt action. Since I could adjust the divider, I did to stop the plinking. He was pleased also
Try to wear clothing that protects you. Women tend to have natural "brass catchers," and a low cut or scoop neck top only improves her chances of catching hot brass and trapping it against some sensitive real estate.
Think about wearing a ball cap as well. A few times I've had hot brass drop into the gap between the top of the shooting glasses lens/frame and get trapped between the lens and my cheek. That'll leave a mark.
Try to wear clothing that protects you. Women tend to have natural "brass catchers," and a low cut or scoop neck top only improves her chances of catching hot brass and trapping it against some sensitive real estate.
Think about wearing a ball cap as well. A few times I've had hot brass drop into the gap between the top of the shooting glasses lens/frame and get trapped between the lens and my cheek. That'll leave a mark.
I have received the brass shower. It's the nature of the beast. I also make sure I'm in a spot that allows me to use a curtain that they have at the range or close to a wall on the right. I have hit my daughter frequently and unintentionally. I'm sure it's not on purpose.
Attire to avoid being a hot brass funnel at the range:
Hat with brim or cap with brim forward over eyes.
Leather shooting gloves.
Goggles with side shields.
Electronic ear muffs covering entire ear.
Long sleeve shirt buttoned at wrists and neck, collar down.
Long pants extending over shoe tops.
Shoes laced tightly.
Ignore the jerks at the neighboring positions, it drives them crazy.
This should be on everyone's required list. A baseball hat (or anything similar) will not only keep brass from dropping down behind your safety glasses, but will also prevent bounce back.
Most glasses will have a slight gap at top, and if the shooter (or even a bystander) gets tired or sweaty, the glasses may slide farther down the nose, creating a big gap. And if you look down at something, an even bigger gap. The cap covers that gap, also keeps sunlight and overhead lights out of your eyes
If the range is busy, then brass showers are part of the firing line. It only bugs me if there are plently of open tables, and someone sets up next to me. A few weeks back, only a couple of us are out and I'm shooting my 10/22. Guy sets up to my immediate right shooting prone with his 308. Now I can't concentrate with the concussion from his muzzle. I take out my shorty with the Lantac Dragon. I may or may not have strategically angled the brass to rain on him. Which turned out to be much more fun.
Yes I have had this happen to me and Iv also done it to other people Not on purpose but like you said it is what it is. When I first started going back to the range 20 years ago after some time off I had guys shooting full auto next to me and brass caseings where showering down on me it pissed me of but I didn't say anything because after all I'm at a gun range. Many years later I got myself my dream gun / rifle the FN Scar 17 and the first time I shot it at the range it was so loud EVERYONE was stopping and looking at me because it sounded like I was shooting a cannon. I don't know if you have even heard a Scar 17 shoot indoors but it's extremely loud I felt bad for a minute But I thought back to when I was getting a brass shower and thought the same thing Hey I'm at a gun range so I just kept shooting I did however apologize to the people around me just to be courteous and it was appreciated besides 100 rounds of 308 doesn't last long in the Scar and that's all I usually shoot at any given range session. Well of 308 anyway I still go thru 2 or 300 rounds of 9mm and 45 ACP in That same range trip. Lol Like others said take a break or just learn to deal with it it's happened to us all I still jump if someone shows up next to me and starts blasting a 12 gage shotgun and I didn't know it was coming but you do and will get use to it the more you go the more you get use to it. It is a gun range so plan on hearing really loud noises. Lol
All good responses but if a newbie w/wife in tow, I would simply move to another much more distant lane. If anyone asks, tell them it's because you needed improved conversational levels w/wife. What's taking place may be unintentional/accidental, which a conversation from a regular to a newbie might be friendly & tolerable some other day.
What you describe seems more to me like regular jerks "coming home to their house" w/o care of being obnoxious to newbies in noise & brass. The reason they hold their brass showers put so far is to insure THEY don't get showered by their own partition ricochets! + .... possibly there's less noise in THEIR ears!
UGH
I vote zero etiquette afoot
These days, I pretty much shoot either on a friend's property where he has his own "range", or I shoot on public land where shooting is permitted. Rarely is anyone around.
That doesn't mean it is totally safe from getting pelted by brass and splash back...
Today I was testing the reliability of a new carry gun. About half way through my first 100 practice loads a case came back and hit me in the head, straight on with the case mouth. When it hit, it hurt a lot more than normal for BTF. I didn't think that much about it as I was concentrating on my shooting. After I finished my string and checked my timer, I went to rub my forehead and had blood all over my hand. :0 I broke out the first aid kit, cleaned up my forehead and put a band aid on it,
These days, I pretty much shoot either on a friend's property where he has his own "range", or I shoot on public land where shooting is permitted. Rarely is anyone around.
That doesn't mean it is totally safe from getting pelted by brass and splash back...
Today I was testing the reliability of a new carry gun. About half way through my first 100 practice loads a case came back and hit me in the head, straight on with the case mouth. When it hit, it hurt a lot more than normal for BTF. I didn't think that much about it as I was concentrating on my shooting. After I finished my string and checked my timer, I went to rub my forehead and had blood all over my hand. :0 I broke out the first aid kit, cleaned up my forehead and put a band aid on it,
Thats one of the reasons i stopped buying & shooting glocks,
i got tired of the brass to the face problem.
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