As a present to myself for being furloughed after 14 years (i.e. laid off by the state of PA) I just brought home the new Tac-14. Targetsportsusa sent a flyer out so as M2 Carbine says,
GOT IT
Since I already have a Mossberg 590A1 I thought I'd give the vintage Remington 870 a shot. Taking advantage of the Magpul M-Lok forend I installed the Magpul Hand-Stop and the 1 plus extension tube from WilsonCombat. I also have a Tac-Star side saddle to install. In previous side saddle installations I didn't appreciate the added weight and feeling the gun was off balance, so we'll wait and see. (edit: Decided to add the side saddle)
Rather than drill out the indents in the magazine tube (I hate butchering guns) I stuffed a rag down the tube, mounted the gun upright so I could see down the tube, used my Olight SR50-seeker pro for lighting, broke out the dremel 8220 and inserted a very small/fine grinding stone and went to work. After about 10 minutes the indents were gone and the tube smooth as glass. A rubber wheel polished it up nicely. Doubled checked my work by dropping several shells down the tube to make sure there was no binding. Reassembled the Tac-14, stepped outside and loaded up 5 shells. I didn't fire it but each one ejected flawlessly. Did this several times with no hiccups. I'm hoping the hand stop eliminates any propensity for my hand to fly off the forend. I do think there is room to install a loop as well if necessary. One could always eliminate the hand stop setup and use two Magpul Sling mounts for a loop. Waiting for sling mounts to arrive tomorrow (Sat).
Overall impressions are good, not seeing anything I don't like. Next step is to actually head out to the range. No sure when that will happen as finding employment is a higher priority. Addition case of shells will arrive next week and hopefully a range report.
Let us know how it shoots. I picked up the Mossberg Shockwave and Im completely happy with it. Im sure both guns perform like a dream but Im curious on some feedback on the Remington.
The question I have for this "firearm" is: Could I remove that weird pistol grip, replace it with an AR stock adapter, then mount an AR pistol receiver extension, together with a "pistol arm brace". It would still meet the minimum length requirement, and still not be designed to be fired from the shoulder.
That's it! I can't resist anymore. I was rather indifferent about the shockwave when it came out, but between all the threads on it and now the remington version out now (admittedly bias toward the 870) I think I have to find one. I still contend it won't have any legitimate use for me, but looks like a ton of fun regardless.
I've spent more on dumber stuff...
Nice score op. Best of luck on the job hunt as well.
The question I have for this "firearm" is: Could I remove that weird pistol grip, replace it with an AR stock adapter, then mount an AR pistol receiver extension, together with a "pistol arm brace". It would still meet the minimum length requirement, and still not be designed to be fired from the shoulder.
Just got back from the range. Other than muddy shoes and Oakley's we had a great time.
This is the configuration that was used utilizing the Magpul hand stop and strap.
Fired 50 rounds, 25 Aguila buckshot and Federal 00 buck 8 pellets. Function wise regarding the hand stop and strap this setup worked good. When firing from the hip no issues whatsoever. First the hip absorbs some recoil (if slightly rested against your hip) and your left hand is at a nearly 90 degree angle to the forend. This is very comfortable shooting. When you raise the gun to shoulder level out in front of you so you can see the bead sight it's impossible for your grip/hand to maintain a 90 degree angle to the forend. When fired this causes your left hand pointer finger to be driven into the hand stop. The strap does an excellent job keeping the hand in place. Shooting from shoulder height would become uncomfortable in as few as 10 rounds of 2 3/4 inch shells. No issues with the Mini shells given their reduced recoil.
Regarding the Mini Shells at first I was going slowly and using an average pump stroke. Most issues (9 out of 10) occurred during shell ejection. They hang up in the port about 3/4's out with the brass stuck in the receiver. During the last 15 rounds I pumped it with authority and all 15 rounds feed and ejected flawlessly.
The Federal 00 buck are definitely more stout and no issues whatsoever with feeding or ejecting. The +1 extension tube worked flawlessly. Going to keep the side saddle on.
I found this gun to point very well at self defense distances of 7 yards from either hip level or shoulder level.
On the next outing I will remove the hand strap and utilize the taller/larger hand stop on the front of the forend as in this picture.
Love the smooth quiet Remington action. I was very impressed with the functionality of this gun.
I wouldn't mind havibng either one, the Remmy or the Mossy. I believe though that I would eventually do the paperwork, submit it with the tax and when approved, add a nice shoulder stock to it.
Just illustrates how ridiculous these laws are. You can walk in, and if 10 minutes walk out with either one of these 14" shotguns, but put a simple shoulder stock on it, and you are looking at 10 years without the proper paperwork and taxes. No logic to it at all.
I wonder if it makes a difference in ATF's view of the stock that it is actually a part of the action of the firearm, on an AR pistol, but serves no purpose except to be a stock on the 870?
Apparently not since they approved Black Aces "firearm" * with a brace. Apparently in ATF's view, a stabilizing brace is a legitimate part of the "firearm".
Apparently not since they approved Black Aces "firearm" * with a brace. Apparently in ATF's view, a stabilizing brace is a legitimate part of the "firearm".
So the next question would be "why"? It's easy to shoot with the original birdshead grip, that's why Remington was using that grip on their NFA short-barreled shotguns decades ago.
These were in my local class III shop in the 80's - the 870 "Witness Protection":
I always wanted one and now, with no paperwork, my Tac-14 is identical, but 1.5" longer.
I wonder if it makes a difference in ATF's view of the stock that it is actually a part of the action of the firearm, on an AR pistol, but serves no purpose except to be a stock on the 870?
Here's my legal opinion after having graduated from the University of American Samoa School of Law and staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night...
On an AR the stock isn't actually a part of the action, it just attaches to the buffer tube and the weapon can be fired and function without a stock or a brace. The stock is nothing more than an accessory, the tube is the necessary part of the action.
A brace on the Tac-14 can be used as just that, a brace, while the tube is nothing more than an accessory to attach the brace to the firearm. They're both accessories to aid in bracing the gun against the forearm of the shooter.
People are putting braces on Glock pistols and that has nothing to do with the action of the firearm.
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