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Gen 5s not a big hit locally

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#1 ·
I went to the range after work, and asked one of the clerks how the gen 5s were selling. He gets a kind of slightly disappointed look on his face and tells me many people are bringing them back and trading for a gen 4.

Seems that a lot of people actually like the finger grooves. Also he said some have complained about the bottom cut out of the mag well, apparently they are snagging the magazine in the cut out as they try to insert the mag on quick reloads.

I asked to check out the 19. I thought it felt great in the hand without the finger grooves. and when brought up to the eye it was dead on target. I won't be getting one as I already have a very early gen 3 that I would never part with, but it is tempting.
 
#3 ·
In my neighborhood, $20 more than the gen4.
 
#6 ·
Around here they are selling like hotcakes. I had to wait for two weeks shipments of Blue Labels before I could pickup one. I like mine. I really cannot feel the difference between finger grooves and no grooves(big Hand). I didn't have a 17 so that's what I picked up. Shoots like a Glock, excellent. I absolutely never picked up a Gen 4 that had a trigger as good as my Gen 3's. This Gen 5 has a nice trigger that beats any "stock" Gen 4 I ever tripped the trigger on
Just my $02. Shoot safe, Mike
P.S. Blue Label price $425
 
#13 ·
I absolutely never picked up a Gen 4 that had a trigger as good as my Gen 3's. This Gen 5 has a nice trigger that beats any "stock" Gen 4 I ever tripped the trigger on
I have to agree. As much as I like many of the Gen4 changes they screwed the pooch with the triggers. The Gen4s have the worst OEM trigger pulls of the entire Glock clan.
 
#9 ·
Around here, they sold them the day they came in. Each dealer got them with in a day of each other. They all sold out the same day, a couple even being sold before they came in the door. Haven't been in stock since. There are waiting lists 20-30 people long at most dealers here. And the dealers are cashing in on it. $620 for a Gen 5 with regular plastic sights.

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#23 ·
Around here, they sold them the day they came in. Each dealer got them with in a day of each other. They all sold out the same day, a couple even being sold before they came in the door. Haven't been in stock since. There are waiting lists 20-30 people long at most dealers here. And the dealers are cashing in on it. $620 for a Gen 5 with regular plastic sights.

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Jesus.....and I thought I did bad at $540 for a 19 (red label, worthless sight model).
 
#11 ·
Twang-n-bang just mentioned the reload problem with the cut out today. So the cut out just isn't an ergonomic thing, it's a flawed design for a combat handgun.

Seriously Glock, what the HELL are you doing? If I like the M&P 2.0 Compact as much as I think I will I may be selling my G19.


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#12 ·
As big of a Glock fanboy as I am, and even more so with the Gen 5, I think it's biggest downfall is that gap they cut out, from the point of gripping it. I can feel it on my 19. I can't on my 17, since the grip is longer, if I like the M&P compact as much as I like the M2.0, I will be buying it, for sure. As for selling my Gen 5's, that's a toss up. If I want to get as much for it as possible, selling it soon is best, before the M2.0 compact is out in full force and before the Gen 5's are more or less plentiful. Does not leave much time for decisions.



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#15 ·
One of the ways I see it is if the Gen 5s don't sell and Glock discontinues it, then these well be sought after later and worth more. Time will tell, however, I've been told that a lot of LE guys are buying them in droves at least where Im located.
 
#22 ·
I could see maybe a couple of people wanting to trade out to a Gen 4, but I highly doubt "many" is the correct word. I've learned to take much of what gun shop employees tell me with a grain of salt.

I also have never managed to "snag" a magazine in the cutout when trying to reload quickly. I only have 200 rounds through my Gen 5 19, but my Gen 2 has over 7500 rounds through it since I bought it a couple years ago and have never experienced that with that pistol either. Then again, I am also one of the people that the cutout doesn't bother at all even though my pinky wraps right over the top of it.

Being that your local store is telling you so many people are returning the Gen 5's and trading out for Gen 4's, why not keep the early Gen 3 (I have one also, prefix NSX which I will never part with) and grab a barely used Gen 5? The store obviously can't be reselling these as new so there is definitely a great opportunity there.
 
#29 ·
I should be back in there next week and will get more info.

I already have two 23s, two 27s, one 26, and one 19. All gen 3. So I don't see myself picking up a gen 5, unless they end up becoming the quintessential must have model.

My early gen 3 19 is not for sale, at least not for a price any sane person would be willing to pay. :supergrin:
 
#24 ·
Here in central Kentucky they are priced at $549 with standard sights, and are selling well. LGS owners have told me most initial orders were presold and inventory has been selling as quickly as it arrives. Also, have observed that the price of a Gen4 19 has been reduced to $499 at most of the LGS's as well.
 
#26 · (Edited)
As much as I have loved and hoarded and carried Glocks over the past 25 years, I have to acknowledge that I am somewhat hoping that the Gen 5 is not a success. For me, it is not that there is anything inherently wrong with the Gen 5, but rather that Glock has gone 15 years too long without even the slightest objective improvement or innovation. So I want them to see some pushback from the consumer.

In my deranged little world, I see Glock just giving us all the finger by stealing the colored follower from the CZ P10c, going back to the Gen 2 grip and telling us this is new and improved. Its not. Virtually every "improvement" on the Gen 5 was taken from Glock's competitors, down to the P10c's beveled mag well.

So for me its the underlying refusal of Glock to design a gun in the 21st century that makes me grumpy. I want an entirely new Glock series, to be sold concurrently with Glock's "legacy" lineup. I'm just taking it out my frustration on the Gen 5.


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#54 ·
Glock did bring back the Gen 2 grip design 100%. Everything is identical except the Gen 4 grip texture, modular backstrap, magwell flaring. Wait.....I guess thats not 100%.

As far as the orange follower, this has happened since the beginning of time. Companies have copied each others ideas forever now. To make the follower more visible they could have either made the magazine clear which has already been done by the aftermarket or color the follower which has also been done by that same aftermarket magazine manufacturer as well as other pistol manufacturers. There are only so many ways to skin a cat. If Glock truly copied someone else all we need to do is sit tight and wait for the patent lawsuit to be filed. That should be forthcoming if there is a legitimate claim. I agree that they used a feature already implemented by other companies, however I don't necessary believe it was out of a lack of want to innovate, but more a lack of available ways to accomplish implementing a helpful feature. This same thought process can be applied to the magwell. Actually by that train of thought, why do all my semi's have vertical grips that house a magazine which loads rounds into the chamber using a cycling slide. I also aim all of those lining up post in notch sights and by pulling a trigger with my strong hand index finger. I suppose nobody has innovated since that type of firearm design was introduced and everyone copied it.

No innovation? If you look at any Glock forum, the Gen 2 pistols are reveled as the gold standard of "Glock Perfection". They brought back that sought after grip design in a near identical fashion. I suppose if you liked American muscle cars, you wouldn't by a new Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger since they brought back old designs and gave them a modern twist on a modern chassis with a modern engine? It is the same "failure" to innovate by those standards. Glock improved on what many consider to be their best pistol. It has modern features as well as modern guts. The trigger bar, firing pin safety plunger, slide stop lever (spring design), and takedown lever were all sourced from the new models 42 and 43. All Glocks feel similar trigger wise and the Gen 5 is no differnet, but feeling the same and actually being the same are very different things.
 
#27 · (Edited)
If it is necessary to do a speed reload with a pistol with a 15 - 17 round capacity magazine, you are doing something very very wrong.

Seriously, the chances of you needing to get a good hold on the magazine in order to force it out and clear a malfunction is far greater than the chance you will need to accomplish a much overrated speed reload.

Just trying to bring a dose of reality/common sense to the conversation.

Edit: And if you can feel the cutout on your tender little pinkie, so what? Seriously, so what? Stop your whining. It doesn't help and nobody cares.

Carry on ladies.

Edit Edit: If you are really concerned with speed reloads I suggest practice. Learn how to insert the magazine properly. I have had a Gen2 G19 since the late 90's with the same cutout and I have never had an issue.

Regards,
Happyguy :)
 
#30 · (Edited)
Hanging up magazines was the only issue I have encountered with my 5th Gen G19. Not all the time, but once is enough, because when adrenaline is flowing, things get sloppy the faster you go, been there done that. I'll take any advantage I can get within reason of course.

My solution was to bevel the inside of the cutout and problem solved. Now the mag well swallows magazines no matter what the angle.

I of course would prefer the cutout not be there in the first place, but with the bevel I can live with it. If Glock keeps the cutout, they should bevel it as well. They put a nice smooth finish on the flared mag well, they should be able to do the bevel as well.

FWIW we now have 4, 5th Gens in our small agency. All of them replaced 3rd and 4th gen Glocks. They are selling well here in my area. Have only seen one in a local shop, all the ones we have were ordered from GT.



TXPO
 
#33 · (Edited)
Hanging up magazines was the only issue I have encountered with my 5th Gen G19. Not all the time, but once is enough, because when adrenaline is flowing, things get sloppy the faster you go, been there done that. I'll take any advantage I can get within reason of course.

My solution was to bevel the inside of the cutout and problem solved. Now the mag well swallows magazines no matter what the angle.

I of course would prefer the cutout not be there in the first place, but with the bevel I can live with it. If Glock keeps the cutout, they should bevel it as well. They put a nice smooth finish on the flared mag well, they should be able to do the bevel as well.

FWIW we now have 4, 5th Gens in our small agency. All of them replaced 3rd and 4th gen Glocks. They are selling well here in my area. Have only seen one in a local shop, all the ones we have were ordered from GT.



TXPO
Good solution. Glock should nip it in the bud and do a recall to bevel that lip. It may save them a public relations nightmare, like they had with gen 4 ejection issues.
 
#34 ·
I find the Gen5 superior to previous gens in EVERY SINGLE WAY... except for the cut out on the front strap. Unfortunately for me, it bugs me too much, and I see potential for fumbled reloads because of it... so it's a total deal breaker.

Won't be buying any more glocks until the gen6 comes out. Which is hopefully a Gen5 with no front strap cut, and proper holster cuts on the frame to match them on the slide.
 
#35 ·
Its sort of strange that no one ever complained about the magazine catching when reloading a Gen 2. My guess is the bevel on the grip is encouraging people to insert the magazine at a greater angle instead of just doing it right, unintended consequence. Could also be that they learned to do it in a manner with a Gen 3 or 4 that works just fine without a cut out but gets caught with a cut out. Either way a little practice should work it out.

I never saw much point in a bevel with a double stack magazine, its a pretty wide target to hit already.
 
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