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Military Arms Channel's thoughts on the Glock Gen 5 (Trigger Warning!)

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#88 · (Edited)
My final thoughts. (I know, only I care, but your getting them anyway). By the way, my Gen4 19FS, is absolute, and I do mean, absolute "Glock Perfection"! Still yet, to check out the Gen5.

What's this "trigger warning" thing?

1-Glock without question, revolutionized the "striker fired" pistol!
2-All top competitors owe their guns, to Glock's design!
3-Should Glock change, no!
4-If I don't want a Glock as they are, I'll buy something else, there's lots to choose from!
5-Has Glock lost "x" amount of market share? Yes, no question about it!
6-Glock's market share, is still enourmous! It's more than all, competitors combined, in L.E..
7-The Glock aftermarket industry, is astounding, and growing!
8-If Glock is snoozing right now, as some claim, and (that's very debatable), but if they are, watch out, when they wake up! ;)
 
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#90 ·
The "added front slide serrations" are so small and barely there that it's just for looks and not generally a value add.
Who cares?? I have no use for front slide serrations. I like my fingers so I keep them away from the muzzle. Press checks are not needed (except for those who like to play operator) M&P's have a witness hole. With press checks you risk leaving your firearm partially out of battery resulting in a bad result when you need it to work.
 
#92 ·
If your fingers are on the slide, how are they near the muzzle? The bullet comes out of the front of the barrel, not through the sides of the slide. Point being that they added "front slide serrations" as a feature yet they are so small that they don't even give a single bit of grip.

So beyond that, just a new grip texture and a stiffer frame and the M&P 2.0 is a "second generation" where "S&W actually listens to their consumers"? Um, no. Not at all. Just another bland M&P.
 
#91 ·
Yes, you can't post a single online e-tailer with a sale and claim that to be normal price. Here, let's use more popular e-tail sites. Yes, they are about $40. I used to have an M&P40 and I remember the prices.

Brownells, standard price $38.99: http://www.brownells.com/magazines/handgun-magazines/magazines/m-p-9mm-magazines-prod23208.aspx

Primary Arms, standard price $34.92: http://www.primaryarms.com/smith-wesson-m-p-9mm-17rd-magazine-mgsw19440

Cabela's, standard price $39.99: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Smith-Wesson-Factory-Magazines/741228.uts
 
#93 ·
Yes, you can't post a single online e-tailer with a sale and claim that to be normal price. Here, let's use more popular e-tail sites. Yes, they are about $40. I used to have an M&P40 and I remember the prices.

Brownells, standard price $38.99: http://www.brownells.com/magazines/handgun-magazines/magazines/m-p-9mm-magazines-prod23208.aspx

Primary Arms, standard price $34.92: http://www.primaryarms.com/smith-wesson-m-p-9mm-17rd-magazine-mgsw19440

Cabela's, standard price $39.99: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Smith-Wesson-Factory-Magazines/741228.uts
How about $24.99 https://www.cdnnsports.com/magazines.html#manufacturer=SMITH & WESSON&caliber=9MM
 
#99 ·
I myself like Mac's reviews. I think he gave a good review of the gen 5. I by no means am a fanboy of ANY firearm company. I'm 22 eith limited experience in any manufacturer. I do like glocks. I like the simplicity, interchangeability, aftermarket support, and to be honest I kinda like the looks. While in the video he says he's not trying to bash glock and I do believe he wasn't intended to per say but he did in the end but with good reason. They went back to a lot of ideas from previous models. MAC carries a gen 3 19 and has for years. He has no reason to bash glock unless deserved and in my opinion they deserved it with the "gen 5". It should have been called something else and not a new generation. They did some improvements and some very dumb things. Cut out in the grip? Flared magwell which is very subjective. Not beveling the frame in the front? Yes they updated the finish, and trigger assembly, removed the finger grooves people said they didn't like but kept the crappy sights everyone hates and changes. They didn't do anything to warrant a gen 5 name and I think that's why people are so disappointed. It's not a new generation if glock but only an update on a gen 2. There's nothing really "new" and that's why in my opinion it's not a gen 5
 
#100 ·
MAC carries a gen 3 19 and has for years.
Actually, he now carries a CZ P01. He went away from the G19 because he had issues with getting his gloved trigger finger in the Glock trigger guard.
 
#102 · (Edited)
I watched the video and didn't care for it, but I see where he is coming from.

People are having a hard time understanding the "Marksman barrel".

On its face, without knowing the background and history it's easy to say it's pointless and not an improvement.

Some Law enforcement contracts, have specified a barrel change from the traditional Glock barrel. The most well known instance of this is what is known as the "Miami barrel".

Law Enforcment agencies for some time have recognized that bullets fired from the traditional Glock barrel are difficult at best to link to a specific weapon. With the barrel change, presumably this makes identifying and linking the projectile to a specific weapon much easier leading to its incorporation in Gen 5 models.

In turn, Glock had to retool to make the barrel that was specified by these contracts and by using that barrel in the Gen 5 civilian models recoops some of that cost by leaving that SKU consistent with LE Gen5/M variant contracts.

That barrel also potentially addressed the issue of shooters wanting to fire lead bullets through the barrels so there is perhaps some value there.

The Gen5 is a solution to problems and requests by LE. When viewed in that light, it makes complete sense.
 
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#103 ·
I watched the video and didn't care for it, but I see where he is coming from.

People are having a hard time understanding the "Marksman barrel".

On its face, without knowing the background and history it's easy to say it's pointless and not an improvement.

Some Law enforcement contracts, have specified a barrel change from the traditional Glock barrel. The most well known instance of this is what is known as the "Miami barrel".

Law Enforcment agencies for some time have recognized that bullets fired from the traditional Glock barrel are difficult at best to link to a specific weapon. With the barrel change, presumably this makes identifying and linking the projectile to a specific weapon much easier leading to its incorporation in Gen 5 models.

In turn, Glock had to retool to make the barrel that was specified by these contracts and by using that barrel in the Gen 5 civilian models recoops some of that cost by leaving that SKU consistent with LE Gen5/M variant contracts.

That barrel also addressed the issue of shooters wanting to fire lead bullets through the barrels so there is some value there.

The Gen5 is a solution to problems and requests by LE. When viewed in that light, it makes complete sense.
I'm pretty sure its still polygonal rifling, and that it isn't recommended to shoot lead through them.
 
#107 ·
Thats been the price on that website since at least January, so yes i can post it & i did post it lmao. Besides IF someone isn't smart enough to do a search, then they deserve to pay full retail. Here $25 https://www.botach.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistol-magazines/ oh my looky here https://www.cdnnsports.com/m-p-9mm-17rd-s-w-factory.html#.WcT5_BeQxD8 oh my! https://www.magcommander.com/products/smith-wesson-m-p-9mm-17-round-magazine
Anyone can shop around and find cheap mags. But standard price is standard price. Here are some local store's prices:

M&P9 17-round, $39
https://www.vanceoutdoors.com/produ.../smith-and-wesson-mp9-17-round-black-magazine

M&P9 17-round, $42
http://store.blackwingsc.com/product.smith-wesson-19440-mag-mp-19440-9mm-17-rd-black-finish

Or how about CTD? M&P9 17-round, $44
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...olymer-base-plate-black-19440-022188127942.do
 
#118 ·
I like the part where he shoots an earlier generation glock then the gen 5 and the gen 5's pattern is wider. He doesn't take into account that the older model is his every day carry and has put thousands of rounds through it.
 
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#120 ·
Can't we all just get along? Enough with the keyboard commando crap. WE are all on the same team, TEAM 2nd Amendment! Stop getting offended over stupid **** please! Stop trolling for responses please! It's like playing poker with my brother's kids!!

As far as MAC, I don't give a crap what he says, I disagree with many of his points, and he was being a sarcastic ahole.....he was trolling too.
Glock still sells every gun they make. They are always backlogged on orders. That is what you call an up to date successful design and company.
 
#121 ·
The reaction from Blocktard fanboys when anyone doesn't worship Blocks or dares to criticize or point out flaws in Blocks...

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#123 ·
The "Miami" barrel was actually an identifying imprint system. Unless Glock is totally covering this up, the new Marksman barrel is no such thing. Perhaps the new rifling does make more distinct marks on the bullet and Glock is just claiming better accuracy because they have to say SOMETHING about why they changed the barrel.

And no, Glock is not saying lead is now safe to shoot.
I'm not saying it's an imprint system. What I am saying is, the change is likely due to easier identification of projectiles, which has been requested for some time, and I cited Miamis request for a different barrel as proof of some agencies wanting easier projectile identification.

We do know Glock changed the rifling, it was either requested because of identification reasons or perhaps fouling from training rounds.

Maybe both. But I highly doubt it was for increased accuracy, I think that's just marketing.

Time will tell though, eventually the truth will come out. I could be completely wrong.
 
#129 ·
I'll just leave this here:



View: https://youtu.be/ECzkQCAdYmc



Let the debate commence!! :p
Why the Glock bashing? People gripe because they want something new or different to buy. Glock offers their FBI pistol to the general public just like the public wanted. Now, he gripes about it. Trying to be controversial so people will flock to his channel perhaps?

Is that the You Tube version of a TROLL?

Bottom line? A significant number of people wanted what the FBI got. The Gen 5 is about the same (perhaps minus the nDLC treatment on the internals - who knows), and like it or not, people want one for that reason alone.

I note Glock did not send their new rotating barrel locking Glock G46 to test either. Perhaps he can drone on about how that gun offers nothing new also.
 
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