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#1 ·
I'm genuinely surprised this isn't a topic yet. Granted, it may be in some other part of GT - but I rarely venture beyond CT. At any rate, it's a CT issue, for sure.

So a Somali immigrant, black PO, on the job for 18 months or so; shoots and kills an unarmed white female, who by all accounts was the reporting party in a noise complaint and was approaching the police car to tell the officers what she saw/ heard that prompted her to call police in the first place.

I'll let the investigation play out before I judge other cops but this sounds highly ****ed up.

But two thoughts come to mind regardless of the outcome of the investigation: A Somali immigrant is a Minneapolis cop? I'm no xenophobe but all examples I've seen thus far (like the Somali Atlanta cop that apparently can't shoot, or drive, or make a ****ing decision) are that hiring 3rd world immigrants as cops is a dismal idea.

Second thought, why are whites not rioting in the streets? Or, more significantly, why is the media not blowing up with headlines of "black officer kills unarmed white woman"? Race is apparently only allowed to be a card in one direction? In fact, if you look at the first link below, it's an article about this Somali cop shooting the white woman BUT THE VIDEO at the top of the article that auto plays is the Castille shooting.

http://www.newsweek.com/police-shot-kill-australian-woman-637722

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mohamed-noor-officer-shot-killed-142550367.html

"The police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman in Minnesota on Saturday has been identified as Mohamed Noor. Noor, who was celebrated as the first Somali American to join the Minneapolis Police Department’s 5th Precinct back in 2015...

"Damond called the police Saturday to report a possible assault she heard taking place in an alley behind her home in the middle-class suburb of Fulton, which local media described as a generally safe neighborhood. Noor and fellow officer Matthew Harrity responded to the call. Damond reportedly approached the police car when the officers arrived, after which Noor shot across his partner from the passenger’s seat and fatally struck Damond in the abdomen."
 
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#3 ·
Its about money and political correctness.
White people are too fat, dumb, lazy and happy to care about anything other than themselves.
White people have been trained to be afraid to speak up.
White people have been trained to feel guilty and ashamed about being white.
White people have been trained to be victims.
White people don't care who is policing their neighborhoods.

Big media will report anything that will make them a buck. It does not need to be true.
The white viewers don't care if a white person is killed by a cop. No views = No money.
 
#14 ·
White people are too fat, dumb, lazy and happy to care about anything other than themselves.
White people have been trained to be afraid to speak up.
White people have been trained to feel guilty and ashamed about being white.
White people have been trained to be victims.
White people don't care who is policing their neighborhoods.
Speak for yourself.
 
#5 ·
http://www.startribune.com/despite-...ice-struggle-to-hire-diverse-force/271772331/
"Minneapolis police struggle to hire diverse force
Despite years of diversity plans, Minneapolis comes up short on black and Hispanic officers. "
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http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/killer-cop-mohamed-noor-a-diversity-hire/
"Killer cop Mohamed Noor was 'diversity' hire
Officer was welcomed by mayor in wake of scathing criticisms on lack of black officers"

<snip>
"Obama Justice Department to pressure the city into hiring more black and Latino officers"




 
#13 ·
Very interesting read. For those who don't read it, the author questions whether Noor basically had a Muslim-state flashback and shot the woman because she was not covered in accordance with Muslim tradition and was wearing pajamas on the street. Also an insinuation - granted, I'm reading a lot into this - that he was a Muslim terrorist installed in the department by a fubarged process designed to give Muslim refugees jobs as cops and thus even out the ratio of white : black cops to be consistent with the population ratio of Minneapolis.
 
#6 ·
"........In 2016, Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges gushed on Facebook, "I want to take a moment to recognize Officer Mohamed Noor, the newest Somali officer in the Minneapolis Police Department. Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall."......"

http://www.dailywire.com/news/18687/police-officer-lauded-minneapolis-mayor-first-hank-berrien


http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/05/23/mayor-hodges-sotc-address/
 
#7 ·
Second thought, why are whites not rioting in the streets? Or, more significantly, why is the media not blowing up with headlines of "black officer kills unarmed white woman"? ....something something - not even questions anymore
I get that it's more "white whine" than "looking for answers", but I enjoy the game so I'll take a swing.
The riots come after the first 75 - 100 years of suffering through a perceived oppression.
They didn't start after one shooting, but an accumulation of perceived injustices. After the first few thousand unarmed white women are shot dead over the next 50 or so years every incident, even when it appears justified to non-whites, will set white people off.
Care to try this experiment?
After 100 years or so get back to me. And if white people aren't complaining after each and every single shooting I'll eat my hat.
 
#11 ·
I get that it's more "white whine" than "looking for answers", but I enjoy the game so I'll take a swing.
The riots come after the first 75 - 100 years of suffering through a perceived oppression.
They didn't start after one shooting, but an accumulation of perceived injustices. After the first few thousand unarmed white women are shot dead over the next 50 or so years every incident, even when it appears justified to non-whites, will set white people off.
Care to try this experiment?
After 100 years or so get back to me. And if white people aren't complaining after each and every single shooting I'll eat my hat.
At least you categorized it correctly, as "perceived oppression".
 
#8 ·
I am less concerned with his skin color as I am his past incidents of behavior...

and they were afraid to terminate him.

<snip...from above article...>
"So it didn’t matter that Noor had been the subject of three complaints of unprofessional conduct including a lawsuit that alleges he brutalized another woman in May 2017. Terminating him would require answering to the city’s powerful Muslim advocacy groups, something no Democrat in Minnesota wants to do."

As you sow, so shall you reap.
 
#9 ·
Along with the other points brought out, if I were his partner; I'd have something to say.

As I understand it, Noor shot across his partner to hit the victim. Not only is the guy bad at identifying threats, he has little concern for the safety of his partner.
 
#10 ·
"I'm genuinely surprised this isn't a topic yet."

I haven't commented on this incident for the simple reason that no substantive information has been released yet. It's all speculation. Until factual information is released, I, for one, will remain silent.
 
#12 ·
True but the majority of OIS threads or other threads that describe an incident are still "under investigation" and to that end lack "substantive information", but we comment on them regardless. I just found it interesting that no one posted this in the 2 days since it happened. It is national news.
 
#37 ·
It could be. Now, why was the gun out and pointed in that direction?

Like Chief said: too much unknown at this point. But in spite of the things said in the OP, this one's not going away. Remember, she's a foreign national from an anti-inflammatory 1st world nation. Her government will be agitating for her.
 
#34 ·
The First amendment does not give anyone Carte Blanche to "protest" in whatever manner they choose. It states that have a right to PEACEFULLY assemble and petition the Govt. For redress of grievances.

Peacefully assemble does not include violating the peace or the law by acts of violence.
 
#39 ·
Yessiree. You're right. Except we're all exceptionalists.
You've been here a minute. How many lines in the sand have you seen drawn here?
"If they come for my guns I'm gonna_______"
"If someone did that to my daughter I'd______"
"30.06 signed be damned. Concealed means concealed. What they don't know______"

Okay, now here's the hard part because it doesn't relate to anything you've said. It's someone else and their lines.

"I'm afraid for my safety when a cop stops me on a deserted street.
I have to let him stop me from going whereever I was going.
I have to let him disarm me.
I have to turn my back on an armed man that I don't necessarily trust.
I have to not attempt to run, duck, or dodge if he chooses to point a firearm at my face.
I have to let him restrain me if he chooses.
I have to get in his car and let him take me where ever he chooses.
(Seperate but similar)
I have to let him into my house if he knocks on my door (yeah, certain people have a hard time accepting this one but I think you've been around long enough to recognize reality)

Now, imagine you've seen instances where those scenarios have gone badly for your family and friends. Heard stories from old folks. Read stories about it in books.
Now, you're allowed to protest about it, but much like each one of those scenarios you still have to comply and swallow while you're doing it and hope that afterwards someone else will find fault in the hypothetical officers actions for you.

Violent protests are illegal.
Not stopping your car for an officer on a deserted street is also illegal.
Your personal policy of "Nobody's pointing a loaded gun at me" is punishable by death.
Swat at it or try to disarm him and see.

Just lines in the sand, man. And everybody draws theres different.
 
#36 ·
More info coming out about the officers being "startled" by a loud noise just prior to the shooting is making it sound as though the officer who fired the shot panicked and opened fire when the woman approached the vehicle.

Noor has refused to give the dept. a statement so unless there is a trial and he testifies we are unlikely to hear his reasons for even drawing his gun much less for firing the shot(s)

Some stories make it sound like he fired one shot and others claim he fired more than once.
 
#40 ·
Was this an intentional shooting at a perceived threat or a negligent/accidental discharge?
Second thought, why are whites not rioting in the streets? Or, more significantly, why is the media not blowing up with headlines of "black officer kills unarmed white woman"? Race is apparently only allowed to be a card in one direction? In fact, if you look at the first link below, it's an article about this Somali cop shooting the white woman BUT THE VIDEO at the top of the article that auto plays is the Castille shooting.
Why aren't whites rioting? They've got jobs to go to, bills to pay, children and families to take care of.

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/why-mohamed-noor-shot-justine-damond/

Details Released On Possible Reason For Shooting Of Justine Damond

By Officer Blue On July 18, 2017 96 Comments



A possible reason was released for Officer Mohamed Noor shooting Justine Damond.

Possible Reason For Justine Damond Shooting Released

Minneapolis, MN – New details have been released on the shooting of Justine Damond which give a possible cause of the shooting.

The BCA released information on Tuesday from an interview with Officer Matthew Harrity, who was driving the patrol car when his partner, Officer Mohamed Noor, shot over Officer Harrity and through the driver’s door, fatally hitting Justine Damond.

In the interview, Officer Harrity said heard a loud noise prior to Officer Noor firing his weapon. The BCA said, “Harrity indicated that he was startled by a loud sound near the squad,” according to Star Tribune.

Immediately after the loud noise is when Justine Damond approached the squad car in her pajamas, and Officer Noor fired his weapon.

During the radio audio of the incident, a dispatcher references “two shots heard to the east.”

An officer responded, “We heard those sounds from the station, those are probably aerial fireworks.” It’s believed that those fireworks may be the loud noise that the officers hears.

It is not clear at this time if the shooting was an accidental discharge from being startled, or Officer Noor was responding to what he perceived to be gunshots while a person approached them, or some other reasoning. Officer Noor has still not been interviewed.

If the shooting is determined to have been accidental, criminal charges would be appropriate and are certain to be filed. If the shooting was an intentional act, then all of the circumstances would need to be judged to determine if it was objectively reasonable.

The incident initially occurred on Saturday night at around 11:30 PM when officers responded to a 911 call just north of the 5100 block of Washburn Avenue S. for a report of what sounded like a possible fight. Family members say that Justine Damond is the person who called 911.

According to unnamed “sources,” Star Tribune reports that both officers were in their vehicle as they pulled to the end of an alley on W. 51st Street between Washburn and Xerxes Avenues.

The officers were wearing body cameras, but did not turn them on until after the shooting. Early indications are that the officers were in full compliance with the department camera policy.

The officers unsuccessfully attempted to resuscitate Damond, who died on scene.

There has been a huge push by both the media and politicians to implicate the officers for the way that they operated their cameras, there is actually no evidence to support this claim. In fact, the available information suggests that the cameras were operated according to policy.

Based on our law enforcement training and experience with dash cameras and body cameras, we can make an educated guess about why the cameras weren’t on.

Most dash cameras and body cameras either do not record all of the time, or they record constantly, but only keep 30 seconds or so of video. That way when the camera is activated, it may show a brief time before activation; this is reportedly how Minneapolis’ cameras are set to operate.

Dash cameras are generally activated by being manually turned on by the officer, or by the officer activating their vehicle’s emergency lights. Body cameras are generally activated by the officer manually turning them on.

There are some systems which may activate body cameras when officers take another action, such as activating emergency lights or drawing a weapon; these auto-activation systems are more expensive and uncommon.

Considering the circumstances of the 911 call, nothing should have triggered the cameras to turn on.

The officers in this incident were essentially responding to an area check. The 911 caller thought they heard a fight in the area, so the officers responded by driving through to see if they could find anybody fighting.

This is the sort of low-key incident that officers respond to all of the time. Most of the time, the people involved are gone by the time officers arrive.

There is absolutely no reason that the officers would have any reason to activate their emergency equipment or body cameras in order to conduct an area check unless they actually rolled up on an assault, at which time they should activate their cameras.

The officers were reportedly still in their patrol car at the time of the shooting, meaning nothing prompted them to exit their car and activate their body cameras.

Considering how the cameras work, and considering the circumstances, I would have been surprised if body camera footage actually did exist in this incident.

No matter what the circumstances of the shooting turn out to be, there’s no reason at this time to believe that there’s even so much as a policy violation with the cameras being off.
 
#49 ·
Interestingly the Australian Prime Minister was on the news tonight voicing his displeasure and that a diplomat has been sent to oversight the matter and support the immediate family.
 
#53 ·
I would say the fact he hasnt provided a statement yet is concerning, but I can understand it.

If he doesnt give a statement, then it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Especially for all those CCWers who say "never talk to the police." If you dont give a statement, the detectives can only go by what info they have, which may not show a justification for the shooting.
 
#56 ·
If someone claims a white officer shooting a black person is a result of racism when there is no evidence, I call them on it. It is clearly their confirmation bias at play unless there are facts that indicate racism.

I do the same thing in this case. Until there are facts that indicate race was a factor, it is racist to presume that race was a factor. It just presents itself as confirmation bias (you see it because you are hoping / fearing to see it; not because it is there).

Maybe that's why there isn't an outcry. Maybe lots of people are taking the 'wait and see' position. Clearly, that hasn't been the case with some of the shootings of blacks in recent times. That doesn't make it right to go on the same frenzy when the tables turn.

David
 
#58 ·
Liberal politician blueprint for progress;
Import as many unskilled uneducated third world dependents as fast as possible. Ignore existing immigration laws. Ignore historical immigrant assimilation incentives. Increase entitlements and dependency. Ensure illegal and future democrat votes.
Complain that police departments suddenly don't reflect community demographics. Point to large immigrant population "underserved" by current police and other infrastructure. Diminish hiring standards and practices to "correct" the "problem". This is how America becomes Not America. The shooting is just a symptom of the disease. Liberalism. This clown's father was probably shooting RPGs at our helicopters in Mogadishu and dragging our dead soldiers through the streets.

How do you even do a background investigation on a Somali immigrant? Serious question.
 
#59 ·
Refusing to give a statement, has not yet given a statement, has not yet been scheduled to give a statement to the agency that is actually charged with investigating the incident?

My extremely limited understanding of this situation is that he works for a city agency and a different (state?) agency has been tasked with investigating the shooting. My next wild guess is that a typical investigative technique may be to perform a fair amount of the investigation of a homicide prior to interviewing/interrogating a suspect, because sometimes the more that is known of an incident, the easier it is for a skilled interviewer to ask specific questions, the answers to which can help to further build a case for prosecution. Another wild guess is that the process may be that the homicide investigation may be allowed to proceed substantially before an interview by the department's own internal affairs type entity does its interview of the subject officer, so that questioning can focus on very specific policy violations rather than something like "tell me what happened" or "did you violate any policy?"
 
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#66 ·
I get the premise of what you're saying (Don't jump to conclusions, "unarmed" people "walking up to a car", etc..).. but I think on the surface this is probably going to be a lot different.. and not just because of race.

There were two officers there.. he was on the passenger side, and she (if what I've read is accurate) was on the driver side.... so he shot across the driver. Very curious to hear what this second officer has to say on this.
 
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