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Arizona tells armed drivers how to avoid deadly police stops following Philando Castile fatality

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Bottom line it's common sense... follow orders, be respectful, if you are licensed to carry disclose that information to the officer and wait for further instruction.




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Yup well said and and easy to comprehend for most folks...Be polite and courteous and remember the officer doesnt know who you are or who your mamma is...and would also like to make it home for dinner with his family...
 
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Is is Smart.

It tells drivers and CCW carriers what they should do.

But more importantly, it tells the public. When another person gets shot by the police, the public can and will say, if they had done what we all know, the police might not have shot him.

And if the police mess up, they know that the driver did what they were supposed to do.
 
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He had a high level of THC, but there's no way to prove his level of impairment after he's deceased.

Based on the social media videos & photos he & diamond frequently drove & smoked, and drank.

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The time to argue with a cop is in court, or at the station not during a stop while armed and reaching for anything. Discuss things, and offer an explanation sure but reaching towards your belt / pockets, and not following the officers direction is stupid, actually beyond stupid.
 
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Every traffic stop I have been a party too, I have informed the officer of my gun. I haven't been shot. Of course, I let the officer dictate the intercourse and provide details when asked.

He runs the show, I have no problem with that and I don't feel "disrespected" (I hate that word) because of it.
 
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Yes the officer is the captain of the ship so to speak, they make mistakes like we all do. There is recourse when they do but not during the stop.
 
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I also always immediately inform the officers I have a firearm and where it is exactly and I've never had a problem. I think I told this before but once I was open carrying a Glock 22 on my hip walking to get gas because I ran out. A officer I never met picked me up and drove me to get gas and back. I say up front and the only thing he said about the gun was asking the caliber. We talked guns and knives the whole drive. I'm forever grateful because it was about 98 °F that day
 
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I wasn't planning to inform an officer before, and I'm certainly not going to do so now unless asked by the officer. It isn't required in my state and I'm just not going to. Of course it's been probably 13 years since I've been pulled over and I obey traffic laws, so it's not likely to happen.
 
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Don't reach for it

I'm not reaching for it

Don't reach for it

I'm not reaching for it

Clearly when the officer is issuing commands in a loud voice with his firearm pointed at you, it is not the time to debate him. Stop what you are doing when he says don't do it.

He may well have been reaching for his ID, but his instinct to argue rather than comply got him killed.

Randy

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The last time I was stopped, my ID and two pistols happened to be together in a leather portfolio. I turned on the interior lights, rolled down the window, placed my hands in view on the wheel, and waited. When the officer asked, I explained where my ID was and why I didn't get it out. He told me to go ahead. I opened the portfolio in my lap under the light of his flashlight, deliberately extracted my wallet, and closed the portfolio with the zipper.

He had stopped me because the tag on my Jeep Wrangler had fallen down due to a broken spring. He couldn't see the tag. We pushed it back into place and went on with our evenings...as it should be.

Traffic stops aren't rocket science. Some people make them more difficult than necessary.

David
 
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There still seems to be some debate about whether to inform the officer or no (if your state doesn't require it). I used to be on the fence, but I've recently decided I would inform no matter what. This specific case has nothing to do with him informing and everything to do with him reaching for something when he was asked not to reach for anything.

IMO, whether you carry a gun or not, whether you inform or not, the only thing that will get you shot is reaching for something when the officer doesn't want you reaching for something. I don't think it's stressed enough. It's like the rules of gun safety. If you follow that simple rule (keep your hands where the officer can see them until he instructs you to do otherwise), nobody should get hurt. If you break that rule, who knows.
 
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Part of the problem is this "ME" generation/attitude where people don't think about anyone but themselves. They have it in their mind that they're not going to do anything dumb so they shouldn't be treated badly (or shot). They don't understand that the LEO doesn't know who you are or what you're going to do, especially in this climate of BLM and other idiots.

I have friends that are LEO or have family members that are and we've talked about traffic stops years ago. If I know I'm speeding and see a cop pull out with lights, I immediately move over to the right lane and slow down until he catches up. I open my windows, turn on interior lights if it's at night and keep my hands high on the steering wheel. I tell them exactly what I'm going to do so there's no surprises for either of us.

The common theme in all these police incidents is that the "victims" didn't comply with orders. If anything, there are less incidents but more visible because of social media.
 
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He runs the show, I have no problem with that and I don't feel "disrespected" (I hate that word) because of it.
"Disrespect" as a verb is used to state that the disrespecting party didn't kiss ass and show total subordination.

It's a common theme with gangbangers, and they equate disrespect with not stepping out of their path, making eye contact, or not answering their challenges (where you from, eh?). Actually, it means that the offending party is a mature, secure adult who doesn't need to go bowing up on everyone to prove that he's bantamweight champ of his Section 8 apartments.
 
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"Disrespect" as a verb is used to state that the disrespecting party didn't kiss ass and show total subordination.

It's a common theme with gangbangers, and they equate disrespect with not stepping out of their path, making eye contact, or not answering their challenges (where you from, eh?). Actually, it means that the offending party is a mature, secure adult who doesn't need to go bowing up on everyone to prove that he's bantamweight champ of his Section 8 apartments.
I hate how certain people walk 5 in a line and think YOU ALONE should move out of THEIR way. Same people will walk in the middle of parking lot lanesand make you stop your car or swerve. I can't help sometimes especially if I'm not carrying I will will stiffen up and walk right slam into the group. Why should they walk 3 to 5 wide and and I got to move out of there way
 
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I think this is a good idea. Assuming it is common sense and shouldn't need to be taught is a bad idea. For those that think common sense is flourishing, where have you been the past few decades?
 
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Seems like common sense here!
Stay in your vehicle with your hands on the wheel so they can be plainly seen.
When asked for your lic. Hand the officer your lic.and premit(i keep them side by side in my money clip)
OH! Be polite,not a wise ass.
Being a truck driver i've been through several truck inspections and have only gotten one reponse from them.
"Thank you for informing me"
 
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Guns are extremely common here in Arizona, I would say I run into people carrying on over half the traffic stops I do.

What they have put in the drivers manual makes sense. Even if someone isn't carrying, it is solid advise. What's more important is they should be certain to include that Arizona law requires the driver to inform the officer of a gun if the officer asks about it.

I don't get my nose out of joint over guns, if a driver tells me about it, they *probably* aren't going to be an issue.
 
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I think it is ironic that Arizona gets proactive and tells people what is expected to keep them safe and the ACLU gets all bent out of shape because the program does not tell drivers their "rights" like they don't have to consent to a search of their car... I find it offensive that the ACLU can't say anything positive about this excellent idea.

"Will Gaona, policy director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, said it’s not a bad idea to tell drivers what to expect when getting pulled over. But the manual’s new section does not include descriptions of a driver’s rights, he said.
For instance, the rules say a driver can be arrested for disobeying an officer’s order. Gaona said the rule book should tell people that they have a right to refuse an officer’s request to search a vehicle.
“You also need to tell them what their rights are — not just what you think they should do, but also what they are allowed to do,” Gaona said."
 
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I think it is ironic that Arizona gets proactive and tells people what is expected to keep them safe and the ACLU gets all bent out of shape because the program does not tell drivers their "rights" like they don't have to consent to a search of their car... I find it offensive that the ACLU can't say anything positive about this excellent idea.

"Will Gaona, policy director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona, said it’s not a bad idea to tell drivers what to expect when getting pulled over. But the manual’s new section does not include descriptions of a driver’s rights, he said.
For instance, the rules say a driver can be arrested for disobeying an officer’s order. Gaona said the rule book should tell people that they have a right to refuse an officer’s request to search a vehicle.
“You also need to tell them what their rights are — not just what you think they should do, but also what they are allowed to do,” Gaona said."
I got no problem with that idea. How many YouTube videos have you seen where people sticking up for rights they don't have complicate stops, end up arrested, tased and dragged through broken car windows, etc?

People should know their rights. There's no problem people standing up for rights they have.

Standing up for rights they DON'T have is a growing problem, and education is the best answer.

Randy

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Only stopped twice with firearms. I carry anytime I'm out and also compete so me having multiple firearms in common for me. My first permit was in Ohio and you have to inform so it's in my mine to inform no matter where I'm at. Both time I told LEO I had a permit and was armed one said fine other said where is it then said fine.
 
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In Oregon, it is not required that we inform, but by running the license plate, the LEO can tell if you have a CHL. I haven't been stopped since I started CC, but believe it would be in my best interest to do as others have said in this string. Open windows, turn on interior lights, hands visible, shut up & obey LEO directions. Common sense & courtesy go a long way.
 
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I wasn't planning to inform an officer before, and I'm certainly not going to do so now unless asked by the officer. It isn't required in my state and I'm just not going to. Of course it's been probably 13 years since I've been pulled over and I obey traffic laws, so it's not likely to happen.
You mean you obey the law and police leave you alone?
 
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How so? It's nothing more than a restatement of SCOTUS opinions.
 
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