Prayers for the boy and his family;
Prayers also for the deputies ; no matter what legal fallout there is, he or she is going to have to live with with this.....
Surely there are better ways to deal with a dog in a residential area. I suppose they'll figure it out after the lawyers get involved. Either way sad for all involved.
That's a great rule, but in real life things happen, and you don't , or can't, always know what's beyond your target; and sometimes, circumstances force immediate action; The world is not a perfect place, and sometimes, you have to work with what circumstances hand you.....
Let's see, it was 3:45am and the 17Y "teen" was not offended by the loud music. A Pit bull came charging out. I am getting an idea to the kind of environment the police were responding to. Bad shot no doubt but me thinks that if people other than the police were more responsible this could have been avoided.
So Willie Pete always checks his backstop when shooting on a square range. Excellent.
I'm not a cop and I wasn't there. However it is frustrating when you hear that most cops only shoot a few times a year. One of my best friends just left law enforcement after 10 years and he told me most of the officers he worked with were absolutely horrible shots. He's not even great and said he usually had the highest score. Most had no interest in getting better.
Train Train Train people! Your life may depend on it.
A charging dog scrambling amongst your feet can be hard to hit. A size 11 boot to the head would slow it some. Not that the cops have to put up with getten bitten, I've been bit in the leg before, recoverable. I like the idea of spraying dogs better.
That said, no I don't have a problem with them shooting it, when that is all that gets shot. I also agree, events happen outside a stale classroom where 'chit' happens.
When they were interviewing the mother, she made a comment about how her son had been in some sort of trouble before but was turning his life around. Not that it has anything to do with this shooting, but it sure seems like people would be better off just continuing along their original paths, because a lot of them wind up getting killed while turning their lives around.
Just horrible, prayers to all involved, the boy's family, the officers, and the dog that was poorly supervised. I can't and won't presume anything about the officers shooting or response - I wasn't there and the news stories I have seen are more sensational than just purely factual. I just hope the department doesn't hang these officers out to dry
My singular criticism...if you can call it that, was that after deputy one was bit and the dog owner restrained the dog, nobody thought "maybe a shotgun would be good to have".
Pistol vs charging dog/animal is harder than shotgun vs same and the shotgun provides a quicker end to the situation with less risk for others. I understand the wounded deputy was also hit by bullet fragments and while I think the actions were warranted...I think this is a big wake up call.
Sucks for the teen and the family, but the police didn't just stop by because. 3am with music loud enough to get a complaint call in your neighborhood and an unrestrained pit bull that is (apparantly) aggressive...not sure how you thought it would end, but those actions dictated the response and bad luck took care of the rest. Hope the deputy recovers fast.
Avoid stupid people in stupid places doing stupid things at stupid times. The 4-S rule.
Teen bystander at 3:40 AM?
I tried to read the clickbait article, but the malware attacked my computer.
If someone wants to quote excerpts from the article, that would be helpful.
Palmdale, CA. 60 years ago. A place where no so well off people went to retire. Desert conditions. Totally, close to an unlivable area without air conditioning. Then, tremendous development fueled by low cost, federally generated minimal homes. Many poor moved there. 3:40 a.m, party in the middle of the week with a high school "student" up and outside? Normal for the area. Not normal for high school "students" as I was growing up. If you wanted an area of the county where you would generally find untrained, unrestrained and unlicensed dogs, this would be one of those areas. Over 80 cities in the county. This is one where, if you lived there, you would not be up and about at 3:40 am, or generally after dark.
Irresponsible dog owners fail to control their are responsible for this encounter.
There are body postures that in more cases than not prevent dog bites, but LEO's are not trained in them and take an aggressive posture toward the animal which encourages a bite.
Sad all around.
A wild arse guess on my part is 10% or less of people have true control over their animals.
Officers can devote spare time to firearms training, physical conditioning, learning a wide variety of skills from driving to computer use, improving first responder skills, defensive tactics, case preparation and testimony, learn about new laws, especially case law, and try to improve skills and knowledge in a variety of specialized functions from crime scene processing, financial crimes and fraud, computer crimes. to death scene investigation, underwater recovery, wilderness search, and fish and game law enforcement. And probably some other stuff. Which is needed which day can be difficult to guess.
And THIS barney attitude is what gets innocents shot.
Not my job ... :sigh:
Sorry IMHO you are paid to help ensure public safety. The likelihood of encountering a domestic animal in your day to day routine is high.
A simple 1 hour training session can deescalate the situation and not require the deployment of deadly force which can have unexpected consequences.
If safety is not your job, may I respectfully request a career change.
I firmly believe the responsibility for this tragedy lies with the animal owner.
Deployment of deadly force in a residential area should not be the first reaction when faced with a domestic animal encounter. There is too great of a risk of killing innocent people.
Not all dogs are raised in a loving nurturing environment.
As such many are quite dangerous/savage. Most posting here don't deal with the savage parts of the community. They only have experience with their families loving pets.
If we could train every cop to shoot like a Navy Seal, fight like a UFC fighter, drive like a NASCAR Champ, identify & gather evidence like a CSI TV show, reference to law like a court distinct judge, there would be nobody left to actually do the job.
Two people were shot with errant rounds; the kid and the partner, AND THE DOG WASN'T KILLED. Someone needs some more time on the range or a job where they don't get rattled by a dog. I've been bitten by a dog; no big deal for me. If you are going to carry a gun; some responsibility goes along with that; civilian and police alike. They might want to learn to shoot accurately under pressure or hang it up.
I can shoot better than every police officer I know; and I know a lot of them; pistol, shotgun, rifle and carbine. Not their fault; they qualify once or twice a year. I qualify about every week with 300 - 400 rounds.
BTW; I held an secondary AFSC of 8121; Security Police Office in the AF and worked part-time a short time in the career field before I got out.
Tell your elected officials you want to have your local police department's firearms training budget tripled and that you're willing to have your taxes raised to cover it.
This is why I like and respect cops. They're the ones who have to go confront violent thugs and their vicious dogs in the dark at 03:40 so we don't have to. If you don't want to get shot intentionally or not, don't dispatch your pit bull on LEO's when they come knocking in the middle of the night or any other time.
And you have answered how many calls again? So If a pit came charging at you, you are gonna do what exactly? Btw you and ITsBruno, you'll are the reason cops learn to detest humanity. What do you do for a living that you feel you can come here and feel like you can give an educated opinion, which you didn't by the way. You just came out to piss on police.
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