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AMMO PROBLEM NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE

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#1 · (Edited)
Went to the range yesterday with my G42. Ammo was Horniday Critical Defense FTX factory not a reload.

The third round up misfired, the round went downrange , the slide went back slightly and sprayed me with burnt powder and copper shavings. Round never ejected from the G42. Ran more rounds from the same box with out failures. Took gun to Glock they advised G42 was ok no over pressures, no bulging scaring etc. they replace my mags. I love Glock Service.

The 380 casing looked normal no bulges cracks or scratches primer was not flattened out. Photo available also the range video

Very scary Horniday is great ammo, called Horniday they want remaining ammo back I am having trouble shipping ammo back by UPS.

I am in shell shock my best ammo in my mind is untrustworthy for my daily CCW in 380, 9mm, and 45 I have a lot in stock

Your thoughts please has this happened to you and what caused it????

Thanks
 
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#2 ·
Do you mean HORNADY CRITICAL DEFENSE with the FTX bullet, or HORNADY CUSTOM with the XTP bullet?

Since this is an ammo-related issue, some precision in identifying the offending round is warranted. There is no CRITICAL DEFENSE .380ACP with XTP bullet.
 
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Everyone is different, but if it were me (I carry a G42 in my pocket daily), I would write it off as a one time deal (it happened only once, right?) and move on. I would definitely have to retest quite a few boxes without failure before restarting them into my carry rotation, maybe pickup some of those Precision One or better yet UW XTP loads in the interim.
 
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Thanks Willie good advice, I am having a time dealing with this, had a similar incident with a TULA 45 round when they first came out. The rim part of the case separated and ejected into my head (now I wear a hat when I go shooting) and the rest of the casing stayed in the gun.

The Horniday folks have been great, and I know they load millions of rounds with no problems. I would feel better if it was my fault.

The scary part is where would I have been if this occurred at the start of a gun fight? I will take your advice I need to get back up on this horse and ride on Thanks Again
 
#7 ·
I don't think you did anything wrong. Chalk it up to a bad round. Hornady ammo is good ammo. In the volumes the make, nothing is 100%.

That's why, when you get back on the horse, you need to practice malfunction drills. Get a snapcap or some dummy round, and load it randomly in your magazine. That won't cover ALL the malfunctions you might get, but it will get you training for the moment when the gun doesn't go bang.
Great idea sir had not thought of that. My range bud also told me to get back on the horse great minds think alike

I sent all my 380 Horniday ammo back to the company for analysis and testing. For the time being I have reconfigured all my Glocks to run Federal HST as it feeds and performs well. Once I hear back from Horniday and they replace the returned ammo I will start the re-trusting training along with snap caps to PRATICE failure recoverys. thanks for the response and the good advice. Re horse traing will take a while and more ammo not bad at all
 
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#8 ·
Easy for me to say but I would not worry about it. Out of millions of the first class handgun defense rounds there are going to be a few that will not fire properly. But the reason for using one of them is exactly because of what happened. They want whatever is left back (and presumably the box) because they want to find out what might have gone wrong and look for anything that happened differently when that batch was made.

Hopefully you immediately cleared it and shot again. If not, that might be the part of the horse ride that you might wish to adjust.
 
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Ammo en route to manufacture, I hope they find another round in the batch with the same issue, you can only improve an item if someone shows you a defective item that you produced that you can examine and then modify the process where needed.. May be I need a new horse(Glock) as well. Wife says I am gun restriction till 2022 when the new car is paid for LOL Thanks
 
#10 ·
Any more I check every round of ammo before using it. Make sure all the primers are fully seated and facing the right way. Check one bullet in a go/no go guage and check that all the bullets are the same OAL. And never use aluminum cased ammo in revolvers. At least none that shoot more than six rounds.
 
#12 ·
No company is flawless and Hornady is no exception. A bad round or even bad box is possible. I had a box of Federal American Eagle that gave me problems. Nothing like you've described though. I had used American Eagle before and have many time since with no issues at all.
 
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The blue never leaves the Blood. my son the Deputy had a laptop in the car it does spell check in 5yrs of College I never learned to spell. I always had great sectaries that could spell

Will keep all posted on this one
I have the video from the range when you slow the video down you can easily see the malfunction I should post the video I bet it would go viral and I could retire and be on Good Morning America with George S LOl Lol
 
#19 ·
You will find bad rounds with all ammo makers. I had two HST rounds not go into battery on my G43 from same box, in two different mags, one stock, one Pearce plus-1. I won't use HST now after that for EDC. Went back to Gold Dots. I've shot many Hornady, all good.
 
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In 2013 I had a factory Speer 230 grain .45 ACP Gold Dot that had a second primer seated on top of the first. The second primer stuck out so much that the gun would not chamber the round. The factory explained that there probably was a plate shift during the loading process. They had no other complaints on the issue concerning the lot at issue. They gave me a free box of ammo. I still use Gold Dots.

Performing malfunction clearance without conscious thought is an important skill.
 
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In 2013 I had a factory Speer 230 grain .45 ACP Gold Dot that had a second primer seated on top of the first. The second primer stuck out so much that the gun would not chamber the round. The factory explained that there probably was a plate shift during the loading process. They had no other complaints on the issue concerning the lot at issue. They gave me a free box of ammo. I still use Gold Dots.
great ammo good service
Performing malfunction clearance without conscious thought is an important skill.
 
#21 ·
I had the same thing happen with my G42. First, you did nothing wrong. Second, your weapon is fine (it has been inspected). Third, the only damage is psychological. You are lacking confidence in the weapon, ammo and more. I know, I did the same thing.

Cure - wait a bit. Buy 3 different boxes of quality ammo and go shoot it when you're ready. This is what I did and 2 months and 1,000+ rounds later through my G42 and we are just fine now. :)
 
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A good 10, maybe more, years ago a buddy was shooting his .357 Sig in aGlock. He was using Winchester Ranger SXT, or whatever the name was at the time for the Talon. He pulled the trigger, gun goes "pop" but doesn't cycle. He ejects the case with the bullet still in it. Ther was a hole coming through the hollow point all the way through the lead. Since those bullets were not fully encapsulated in the rear, by the jacket, the best we could figure out is the bullet had an air pocket in its lead core. Must have been thin enough that it ruptured without even moving the bullet. Had I not seen it I wouldn't have believed it. It spooked him enough that he switched ammo to something where the lead wasn't exposed at the base of the bullet.
 
#32 ·
I had the same thing happen with my G42. First, you did nothing wrong. Second, your weapon is fine (it has been inspected). Third, the only damage is psychological. You are lacking confidence in the weapon, ammo and more. I know, I did the same thing.

Cure - wait a bit. Buy 3 different boxes of quality ammo and go shoot it when you're ready. This is what I did and 2 months and 1,000+ rounds later through my G42 and we are just fine now. :)
Very good idea I need a go fund me account for therapeutic Ammo
 
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A good 10, maybe more, years ago a buddy was shooting his .357 Sig in aGlock. He was using Winchester Ranger SXT, or whatever the name was at the time for the Talon. He pulled the trigger, gun goes "pop" but doesn't cycle. He ejects the case with the bullet still in it. Ther was a hole coming through the hollow point all the way through the lead. Since those bullets were not fully encapsulated in the rear, by the jacket, the best we could figure out is the bullet had an air pocket in its lead core. Must have been thin enough that it ruptured without even moving the bullet. Had I not seen it I wouldn't have believed it. It spooked him enough that he switched ammo to something where the lead wasn't exposed at the base of the bullet.
I was lucky the round left the gun. my face not so lucky copper and powder burns that is why we wear safety stuff at the range
 
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