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The Aguila Minishells.............

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#1 ·
.......in the Mossberg Shockwave.

The Mossberg Shockwave has turned out to be an impressive gun, or as the ATF calls it on the Form 4473, "Other Firearm".

Other than being a fun "scattergun" to shoot, depending on your situation, it has the makings of a good defense gun.

But being smallish and light weight, the gun can be a kicking SOB with somewhat hot 12 gauge Buckshot or Slugs. (as my, and other people's bloody fingers can show)

Here's where the Aguila Minishells come in.
They are short in length and reduced in power.
8 will fit in the Shockwave's magazine. (but require a little $15 adapter called the OpSol MiniClip.

http://www.opsolmini-clip.com/

Being reduced in power, and a joy to shoot, there may be a question if the Minishell is powerful enough for use in a home defense gun?
Personally, I believe they have more than enough velocity and shot weight to stop a home invader.
I ordered some Aguila Buckshot loads, but until they come I'm practicing with #7.5 shotshells.

I had a Crimson Trace Green rail laser on the gun, but since I'm going to prop the gun up beside the night stand, and I want a gun mounted white light, I reinstalled a Streamlight TLR-2 laser/light.

(shooting a little low so I don't shoot the clips or cut the wire, which I've done before) :)

 
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#5 · (Edited)
I ran across a box of slugs and have shot some at the paper plates at about 9 yards.
Center hits and mild shooting, with the impression that they would do damage to a bad guy.


Later...........

I just got back from the local gun store where I had bought the Shockwave.

He had some Aguila slugs left. Bought two more boxes. He gave me a good price at $13.50 (no tax) each.
I forgot to tell him to see if he could get Buckshot.

After lunch I think I'll shoot some Slugs. :)
 
#54 ·
Years ago I came across the (Italian) Centurion minishell. They are 2 inches in length.
Can't find them anymore.

Now days I load the KSG with 12 gauge Federal Buckshot Flite Control, to reach out. My "home defense" distance is beyond 30 yards. The FFC Buckshot has still spread only several inches at that distance.

You don't "play" when you go out with your shotgun do you M2? And not saying you should either!

Reminds me of another of my "incontestable rules".

"There is no such thing as too much ammo in a firefight. Especially if it is just you against whomever decided to throw the party!"

Bravo! Deo Vindice! And a long Rebel Yell to you, and your lady.

Gray_Rider
Old Secessh
 
#6 ·
For what it's worth, I stood up three, well seasoned, 2x6's and shot them with two of the Aguila slugs, from 7 yards.

The slugs hit about a inch right of the laser dot. I have to adjust the laser a bit.

The slugs tore through the first two boards and into the third board about 3/8 inch.
One slug split the second board lengthwise.

The slugs went through the boards nose first and weren't deformed.

So, the average interior house wall will not stop the slugs.

The relatively light recoil makes fast repeat shots easier than when shooting hot loads.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Slug follow up.

I just shot a Wolf (Russian) slug into the three boards. The Wolf slug isn't the hottest thing going but it is pretty stout.

To my surprise the Wolf slug did not go clean through all three boards. (bottom)
It did blast a hole through the first two boards and buried itself in the third board up to it's last 1/8 inch.



So, in comparing the MiniSlugs to full size 12 gauge Slug, (for home defense) the Mini doesn't do too bad.
And (in my case) the less recoiling MiniSlug allows for faster follow up shots.



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#11 · (Edited)
For me, low recoil feels the same as 00 Buck full power from my Shockwave.
I'm a gym rat and might be on the strong side.
Yeah, I hate to face up to the fact, but even being active, at age 79, my hand and arm strength isn't nearly what it was even 5-10 years ago.

I to do like those Federal loads.
I wish Federal would make them in 20 gauge.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Yes, the two local stores that have the Aguila Slugs and shot say they can't get Buckshot.

I ordered from AmmoFast.
First time I ever ordered from them.
Fast shipping.

They charge $9.99 shipping, so in order to make up for the shipping and get the price down to about what you would pay in a store with tax, you have to order about 4-6 boxes (I ordered 6)

https://www.ammofast.com/collections/12-gauge
 
#58 ·
Well yes, WE are, and also we are reading your posts and following some of what you advise.:flag: Thus there is a temporary shortage of these shells!
 
#20 ·
My guess is that these were slow sellers before the Shockwave came out and Aquila was doing limited production runs. More folks are also buying the Opsol adapter now too, so demand is out pacing the production. Hopefully Aquila will see what's happening and ramp it up some. I've got 80 of the buckshot on hand. I'd like to try the slugs, but my range doesn't allow them.
 
#24 · (Edited)
Not my cup of tea -

I will keep my 870 & Versa Max tactical as my HD shotguns -

I have been shooting a full size regular stock shotgun for so long it just seems natural - I don't see myself ever being able to get anywhere close to this - not even having to think about it - just point and shoot and hit the target with this gun.

But if it makes you happy than I guess why not?
 
#25 ·
If you want short use a pistol. If you want powerful use a real shotgun. This thing tries to live in both worlds but does neither one well.

Go back and watch that video in this thread. If you can only hit a man sized target 2 times out of five firing slow with no adrenaline pumping how well do you think it will work when you need it to?
 
#27 · (Edited)
If you want short use a pistol. If you want powerful use a real shotgun. This thing tries to live in both worlds but does neither one well.

Go back and watch that video in this thread. If you can only hit a man sized target 2 times out of five firing slow with no adrenaline pumping how well do you think it will work when you need it to?
Missing the target is not the gun's fault.
It's the shooter's fault.

What I do differently (from the video) is ALL my defense guns, handguns, rifles and shotguns are equipped with good lasers or laser/lights.
And I hold pistol grip only shotguns low when shooting. It's way too easy, under stress, to get busted in the face with a PGO shotgun loaded with hot loads.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM_sqSTg2v8
 
#26 · (Edited)
It's very simple.
I own and practice with a lot of "home defense" type, handguns, rifles and shotguns.
In a home defense situation, No matter what I had in my hand I wouldn't feel I have an advantage over someone armed with the Shockwave.

But as yet I haven't tested the Shockwave out to the 30 plus yards that is my personal "home defense" distance.
I'm pretty sure this will require Federal 00 Buckshot Flite Control Wad shells, that I use in the other 12 gauge HD shotguns.

I have tested regular Buckshot shells and Federal FCW shells at ten yards.
(I needed to adjust the laser a couple more inches yet to center the hits)
I think the Federal FCW shells will be fine at 30 yards.




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#28 · (Edited)
Did I hear that the Shockwave is inaccurate?

A few minutes ago, shot from the hip using a 00 Buckshot Federal Flite Control Wad shell.
Looks pretty accurate to me. :)

I see I have to adjust the Streamlight laser dot up about 3 inches.




Comparing this target to the one above, shot at 10 yards, it shows how the Fed FTC Buckshot holds a tight group, enabling it to reach way out.
Even from a 14 inch barrel.

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#29 ·
Just tried a 25 yard shot.
This about covers my home defense distance (30 yards).
The buckshot spread can be almost covered with a hand's spread fingers.
Pretty good for a 14 inch cylinder bore 12 gauge at this distance.

Looks like I still have to move the laser dot a couple inches up and right.
Then do some shooting with the Shockwave at 30+ yards.

 
#31 · (Edited)
You gotta love these naysayers that haven't even held one much less shot it. BTW, it's not a sporting clays gun, it's a CQB piece for restricted environments and it fills that role with devestating power.
But hey, to each his own. No one cares either way.
Slightly used ones should soon be available :alex:
Mine lasted two weeks. The only reason it lasted that long was that it took me a week after purchase to shoot it. I didn't like the slug and buckshot accuracy at 20 yards when trying to hurry up shots, or the recoil. It was much more unwieldy than both my pistol and carbine. Anybody who can throw it out in front of them like Clint Smith can shoulder a buttstocked gun as well, and nothing is preventing anybody from hip shooting a shotgun that has a buttstock. It was too limited a tool to justify keeping it, and the ambi safety raking across the web between my thumb and index finger forced me to take unwanted time off from handgun shooting while it healed.

Aside from all that, it was great.
 
#33 · (Edited)
The FedEx ladies delivered the Aguila Buckshot a few minutes ago.

I just had to try it out right away. :)

I figure 10 yards is a good average distance to check out most HD shotguns.
Personally, now I have to decide whether to have the Shockwave loaded with a LOT of (spreading) Aguila Buckshot, or fewer, more powerful, reaching out Fed FCW shells.

The Agulia Buckshot spread a bit, but all the pellets hit the target, even if a couple did hit the edges.
The paper is 8.5x11 inches.

This morning I adjusted the laser up/right just a hair and it seems it's right on now.



The gun is fun to shoot. :)
 
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