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L.A. Deputies Shoot at Dog, Teenager Killed

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#42 ·
Being bit by a ghetto dingo sucks for sure, been there and survived. Also been bit on a k9 track by one of our pd k9, that also sucked but I survived.

Where I work there are 2 types of dogs that seem to be constantly running wild, big pit bulls and little chihuahuas.

I have no problem with us shooting dogs when they try to latch on to us, usually those dogs aren't only willing to bite cops, a lot of citizens get bit by them too.

All that said, ultimately, even though it was dark and it was a riccochet, the deputy is still responsible for the round. Go to prison responsible? No way. Department paying out a bunch of money responsible? Yup. It is a sad situation for sure.
 
#44 ·
How does a non-LEO crack shot train to shoot while under pit bull attack exactly?
Do they shoot as they get dragged down a road by a truck or something?
 
#45 ·
Well actually, I shot a stage once that had a mover charging your position with a dog target on it. You had to draw and fire while moving backwards before the target got to your position.

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#48 ·
Here in TX the State Assoc. has a class on dealing with dogs. It wasn't around when I was in patrol. I guess citizens felt too many dogs were being shot. If you control your pet, that would not happen. I control my pit bull with 0 issues. Yeah, sometimes as a cop, I would just wake up and say - hey I feel like shooting a dog today. Other mornings it was a black male teen.


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#49 ·
Wasn't there so I can't make any definitive statements. But from what I have seen I would make an educated guess that the officer involved was terrified of aggressive dogs which brought on what appears to be panic shots that hit everything except what the perceived threat was.
 
#50 ·
this is why most people detest cops.

not my ****ing problem.

id rather shoot your dog.

who cares if some kid or a coworkwer gets shot. i just want to shoot the dog.

good ****ing job barney.
He's not a cop and you're right most people that hate cops are ignorant and do so out of spite.
 
#51 ·
The death of the kid is tragic, but maybe instead of blaming stuff on others folks need to look in the mirror a bit more. Not up at 0340 on a Thursday being loud and obnoxious = he's still alive. Being able to control his damned dog = he and dog still alive.


Actually it wasn't his dog; it was his neighbor's dog. He may have just been doing a good deed.

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#52 ·
I got bit by a French mastiff while clearing a house on a SW once.The dog took two chunks out of my leg before I was able to kick it off. Everyone asked why I didn't shoot the dog. At the time we were on the second floor and the last thing I wanted was a rifle round to go through the dog, the floor and into one of the guys on the first floor.

We have two different dog catcher poles where I work now. If I'm going on a call involving an aggressive dog then I'll grab one of the poles.

We've used tazers on dogs, which generally knock the dog right down if you get a good hit. The only problem is that when the cycle is over, the dog jumps back up and tends to run off. Drive stuns work really well to, if you like getting that close to a dog trying to bite you.

Pepper spray also has worked to varying degrees. My chief sprayed two dogs that were mauling a much smaller dog, didn't really help much, but he was able to get the dogs apart. On the other hand I know a K9 guy whose dog would lap the stuff up. Might of had something to do with the affinity for which the officer liked to use it...

A few of us also carry some dog treats in our patrol bags. Used more often for community policing purposes though...
 
#65 ·
When I delivered mail they gave us a four ounce can of some primitive pepper spray (HALT). It stopped GSs, dobermans, and standard poodles (they were the bitiest) real well. I'll bet the modern pepper spray would stop them even better. BTW, one spray would make Fido stay away for about six weeks.

I don't understand all this dog shooting......

Before HALT, I carried an 18" length of shovel handle in my bag......
 
#66 ·
My prayers for all involved.

From the article:

The dog's owner, who lives at the apartment complex where the shooting occurred, declined to give her name because she had “too many things going on with the law right now.”

She said the dog is a 3-year-old blue-nosed pit bull. Her home is used as a local hangout by some of the neighborhood kids, she said.

They are all my friends,” the woman said. “They are good kids. They come over and they listen to music.”

The neighborhood children were hanging out and listening to music like they ordinarily do, she said Thursday. Her dog was off its leash, but was well-mannered, she said.


The owner of the dog is not the kid, the woman quoted above is. She declined to comment because she had too many things going on with the law. What kind of things?

She says the kids at or near her house, when the dog got loose, are HER friends (not her daughter’s or son’s friend). What gown woman has kids over her house all the time to “listen to music”? Even less one that has "too many things going on with the law".

How many times in the recent past did the police respond to a call to the same place?
 
#69 · (Edited)
It's not my drill; it's Dennis Tueller's drill.

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It's not a dog attack drill, nor is it a small, fast dog-like person drill. :rofl:

The Tueller drill applied to a charging dog would expand the distance from 21 feet to
more like 60+ feet.
 
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#70 ·
Officers can devote spare time to firearms training, physical conditioning, learning a wide variety of skills from driving to computer use, improving first responder skills, defensive tactics, case preparation and testimony, learn about new laws, especially case law, and try to improve skills and knowledge in a variety of specialized functions from crime scene processing, financial crimes and fraud, computer crimes. to death scene investigation, underwater recovery, wilderness search, and fish and game law enforcement. And probably some other stuff. Which is needed which day can be difficult to guess.
And off duty time spent boxing, learning martial arts, going to school on their own time and dime, plus family obligations.

LE officers have to be good at a myriad of tasks and functions.

This is no excuse I understand, but is not as easy as some may think.

Not to mention having to buy their own ammo.
 
#73 ·
Honestly, firearms use is (hopefully) a rare thing for a patrolman. He/she spends almost all their time doing everything else. I can see how it can get shoved to the bottom of the list.

Still.....would it bankrupt our police departments to have the officers swing by a range, in the middle of the shift, to fire off three dozen rounds each month?
 
#72 ·
I was bitten by a dog while on a call. The dog, a black lab, bit me in the leg as I was dealing with the owner and then ran away. When it came back, I pulled my weapon. The owner then got between me and the dog, thus saving its life.

There are some irresponsible dog owners out there. Or perhaps not so irresponsible as intentional.
 
#80 ·
When I delivered mail they gave us a four ounce can of some primitive pepper spray (HALT). It stopped GSs, dobermans, and standard poodles (they were the bitiest) real well. I'll bet the modern pepper spray would stop them even better. BTW, one spray would make Fido stay away for about six weeks.

I don't understand all this dog shooting......

Before HALT, I carried an 18" length of shovel handle in my bag......
How many trained (attack/aggression) dogs have you faced?

An interesting aside, years ago in a test police dogs who were sprayed didn't run away, they still bit..... and they bit harder after being sprayed than before.
 
#83 ·
None that I know of., but one possible. I only speak of what I know. I would be surprised, though, if something that will stop a mama Grizzly in her tracks would not stop a dog.

I probably had a lot more dog attacks than most folks though.....if you count dachshunds, teacup poodles, and Chihuahuas.... Nearly deafened by a couple of Labs.....boy, they are loud. They would pull up way short and BELLOW.

You all need to protect yourselves. I don''t worry about the dog as much as the fact that dogs are real agile and that can get bullets going in lots of dangerous angles.
 
#82 ·
We have an expensive hobby that takes time and money (shooting). The last time we went to Nexus, just my 2 sons, grandson and son-in-law (and me, of course), we went through over 1,500 rounds in less than an hour. I know because I packed that much, ran out, went out to buy 2 more boxes, my son bought at least one box and I don’t know how many the son-in-law bought (maybe 3 or 4). We packed it up before the hour was up, everyone refused to spend a single additional penny on ammo. We had a blast, spent time together and enjoyed it, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is expensive.

Each weekend training session requires a minimum of 1,000 rounds per family member, plus the cost of the class per person.

I don’t ever want to add up the amount of money we have spent on ammo alone, but I know it is significant. I won’t count range fees because those are insignificant when you add up everything else.
 
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#86 ·
Dogs, any dogs can be ferocious and deadly. I love Pitts. But I have also shot 3 in the line of duty while working as a security officer. Two times they came after me. The third time was a worker. Hated having to do it, but there was no time for horse **** lovey dovey kumbya BS. Threat, acquire, fire, repeat until it is dead. A pitt will remove your ass through your mouth.

It is all how you train an animal. It is all about controlling your animal in the presence of others. They can be sweet or they can kill you. If they are protecting their territory and family, pitts can be very viscious.
 
#113 ·
Amen,

Those whose experience does not go beyond the range seldom grasp that range performance does not automatically predict real life, when your life matters performance.

They don't miss those stationary targets on the range on nice sunny days. So they can't fathom how those cops miss at O'dark thirty when being attacked by a live opponent.
 
#99 ·
How forgiving would you be if your partner shot you because he was scared of a dog and couldn't shoot straight and dragged you into the resulting lawsuit filed by the parents of the 17 YO he killed that could cause you to be penniless and jobless for the rest of your life?

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#110 ·
this is why most people detest cops.

not my ****ing problem.

id rather shoot your dog.

who cares if some kid or a coworkwer gets shot. i just want to shoot the dog.

good ****ing job barney.
In reality most people detest cops because they are jelous of their of their preceived power and detest being told what to do, or being held accountable for their actions. It's much more logical to detest the act then it is to hate the actor, try it sometime :rolleyes:. JMO
 
#118 ·
Which would have about zero effect on an aggressive pit bull.

They are bred for tenacity and once they latch on they will most time hold that bite.

The second problem with the approach is that physically engaging the animal is that now your distracted and potentially vulnerable to attack by its owner and or the owners friend(s).
 
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