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NRA Disallows 1911s As “Primary Handguns” From Its “Carry Guard” Classes

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NRA Disallows 1911s As “Primary Handguns” From Its “Carry Guard” Classes





Released to quite a bit of controversy at the NRA show, the NRA’s Carry Guard program is again the focus of controversy. As listed on the NRA’s Carry Guard website, instructions for prospective students of their “Level 1” program are specifically asked not to bring revolvers or 1911s as “primaryfirearms” to the classes. This instruction is added as a note to bringing a full-size or compact handgun:

*NOTE: NRA Carry Guard Level One is designed for training with a semi-automatic handgun (Glock 19/17, Sig P226/P228 or equivalent). We will not allow revolvers or 1911s as your primary firearm in this class.



http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-disallows-1911-handguns-carry-guard-classes/


UPDATED 06/19/17


Now to top off the 1911 decision there is this,what or who at the NRA is promulgating this . SJ 40


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#4 ·
Too many possible explanations to really comment, but from that rule I would expect a very one size fits all mindset.
 
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This probably has its own thread somewhere... but what the heck is "Carry Guard"?? I got some mailings from NRA about it, but it was pretty non-informational and just seemed like another donation request - so into the round file it went.

So what is it? (or give me a link to another thread, thanks!)
 
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Yes. The rule described is very difficult to understand. Maybe they fear newbies shooting the floor with their "tuned' 1911 triggers. Well ok. In today's world I can see that...

But banning revolvers? There is nothing safer and nothing better at bad breath distance.

I guess 5-7 rounds does not fit in with their courses of fire. So they are a no-go.

This is foolish, and sad.
 
#10 ·
Well, you don't really know about "Carry Guard" training; and as an NRA instructor - neither do I.

They have "released" insurance program, but they haven't "released" their training program. I signed up to receive information about being a "Carry Guard" instructor and got an email stating something to the effect of - thanks for signing up to be a CG instructor, we'll send you updates when we have them. In talking to some of the staff, they say there will be an instructor class "sometime later this year, in a few select locations around the country, taught by some of the best in the business".

Still haven't received any further information.
 
#11 ·
Well then I won't permit Seanmac45 to attend the NRA Carry Guard training. I will have to toddle along with the knowledge obtained from training with Jeff Cooper, Pat Rogers, Dennis Tueller, Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorn, Bill Wilson and others. All of whom I trained with while utilizing a 1911.


Woe is me.
 
#16 ·
If they don't want your money, there are plenty of trainers that will teach you if you want to use a 1911.
 
#21 ·
Personally, I'd have been annoyed if I'd been photographed demonstrating a pistol draw (or worse, a holstering) that showed such a low grasp on the Glock's grip, and my finger wrapped around the trigger, with the muzzle still pointing southward ... and doubly annoyed that they'd used it for a promo pic for a new basic firearms training program. :eek:
 
#24 ·
Hard to miss when looking at the pic.

Having seen so many thousands of quals (as an instructor) and training sessions over the years, you automatically start to look for potential issues before they formally announce themselves in typically loud fashion.
 
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#28 ·
I dont know anything about this "carryguard" class but sometimes the entire format of a class has to change when some guy has half the rounds as everyone else. Many modules are set up with 10 round minimum. Its like trying to teach a tango class and half the class is out of breath on the 3rd step. If they want to maintain better control of their classes, good for them.
 
#29 ·
I know I've been going to Professional Training since 1983 I've been to just about every NRA offering along with Gun Site, Rogers shooting School,Gonzales, Bill Napier and a host of others I have a really good background to base my opinion on.
I also sat on the committee that wrote the training standards for Florida's cjstc firearms training instructor training and Firearms instructor training.
NRA training is not something I would spend my money on
You didn't have a hand in that CMS curriculum debacle, did you?
 
#34 ·
Because 8 rounds is not conducive to proper spray and pray.
But why limit yourself to 8 rounds when Wilson 8 round mags allow you to carry a total of 9?

Regardless, to disallow one of the most effective combat and competition handguns in history is idiotic and I don't think much of James Jarrett, the director of curriculum of the NRA’s Carry Guard program.

Here's a picture of him whipping out his striker fired handgun with his finger on the trigger:

 
#35 ·
Good instructors can handle having a guy with a 1911 or revolver. The 1911 guy will need 10 mags where the modern auto shooters will need 5. And the revolver guy just has to do the best he can.

They say to bring more than one type of pistol, and 1800 rounds of ammo for each, for a reason.

I have no idea what this NRA class is about though.
 
#36 ·
I've taught NRA Pistol for a few years now. Revolvers have a near and dear spot in my heart. 1911's are a fine fighting weapon. Neather should be excluded.

I've taught mixed firearms classes many times, and never an issue.

Stupid new rule is just shooting themselves in the foot.
 
#40 ·
This probably has its own thread somewhere... but what the heck is "Carry Guard"?? I got some mailings from NRA about it, but it was pretty non-informational and just seemed like another donation request - so into the round file it went.

So what is it? (or give me a link to another thread, thanks!)
Insurance, it does not compare to USCCA.
 
#41 ·
Carry Guard Level 1 is an intro class. Probably better to stick to the striker fired and double action autos for newbs. In the NRA pistol classes I teach hardly anyone carries 1911s anymore. I do see a few revolvers on occasion.

I would guess that CG II or next level classes get into single action autos and revolvers. It is probably just a way to break up the classes to make more money.
 
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