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Article Make your Glock trigger feel like a 1911!

Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket Glock triggers? Do a simple search for “Glock triggers” and watch the number of hits and each...
By Bonedoc, Jul 5, 2017 | | |
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  1. Bonedoc
    Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket Glock triggers? Do a simple search for “Glock triggers” and watch the number of hits and each promise the very best experience. Now that doesn’t mean that the stock Glock trigger is the worst experience but it does indicate that dissatisfaction with Gaston’s trigger is significant.

    I bought my first Glock in ’90 and that G22 is still going strong. My gun book indicates over 125K rounds out of that maintained pistol and it does not have the stock Glock trigger. No… that went away many years ago. Since then I’ve followed several manufacturers of aftermarket Glock triggers and read with interest their presentations. That says “read with interest”, note is doesn’t say ‘buy’. I mean if you bought every aftermarket Glock trigger than came down the pike you’d be in the poor house. Some of the kits run well into the $250 range and up and, well, frankly is it worth a third of the price of the whole pistol. Right! I can hear the response, “well, what’s your life worth” as if the stock Glock trigger dooms you to a quick death in any confrontation. Simple not true but there are those who hate the stock product with a near vendetta. However numbers do not lie and the Glock pistol in a variety of variants is the choice of law enforcement agencies worldwide and in great numbers. Those agencies don’t, generally, allow modifications to the service weapon so we do see regular and successful use of the Glock in stock configuration. In fact if you buy a Glock and don’t touch it, just shoot it, practice with it and do so regularly with effort you will be rewarded with great skill that is not negatively affected by the ‘bad trigger’. Proof? Bob Vogel. He began his illustrious career in competition shooting using a stock Glock trigger and often notes that (even as a trigger bearing his name is now available for improved ‘triggeperformance’) fact in his book. And that is exactly why I put a non-stock trigger in all my Glocks.


    Improved trigger performance? Pick up and examine a quality 1911… a stock WWII


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    Ithaca that has had no armoring since those days? Well, no… because, while it is a 1911, the machining back then lacks a bit in comparison with today’s products. How about a $3000 Wilson? Now that is butter. Squeeze, press, pull, or whatever your favorite description of making the gun go ‘boom’ is, that trigger and you will suddenly see what that ‘Holy Grail’ feels like and why companies sell aftermarket triggers for your Glock. And, at least in my opinion, none will attain that goal because the designs are markedly different. That said, there are some very good aftermarket triggers which make your Glock easier to hit well with and are reasonably priced.


    The FACT of the matter is the trigger we are examining today is just such an add-on and worth your consideration. FACT stands for ‘Fast Action Combat Trigger’ and it was engineered and is manufactured by Templar Custom Arms and Bob Meszaros. [ see http://www.templarcustomarms.com/New-Products.htm]. Templar states that the trigger is “shorter, smoother, has a better reset and feels ‘more’ like the 1911 trigger’. Does it?

    That is what I was wondering.


    Dave Spaulding reviewed the trigger in the link above and I respect his observations. You can watch it but I will give you mine (I’ve been shooting since 1962 and have handled far too many firearms to recall and I do not own a 1911… now that is) and you can decide.


    I have either dropped in or modified and placed in numerous aftermarket triggers. One of my G22s has a Vanek Custom Classic Trigger Kit, several have Ghost EVO Elite 3.5 connector and the suggested 'other' additions (FP Safety spring, trigger spring and FP/striker spring – in my gun I used both 6# springs, striker and trigger) and I had available to me a completely stock (and never lubricated, jeez) G22, Gen 3. I also had the above mentioned Ithaca and a new Springfield 1911 Custom Operator to do a hands on comparison. Finally I handled a Wilson 9mm Elite. Start off with that Wilson Elite and “no” trigger is going to be good enough so we’ll discount it right now!


    The FACT does indeed drop in as did the Vanek. The EVO line from Ghost requires some very careful modifying but all the instructions are present both in their shipped package and on Ghost’s website. Careful is the key word there so for folks who are looking for a drop in and walk away, well… careful.


    Cutting to the chase… we did not measure trigger weight although the ‘sensed’ pull is mentioned and the outcome was a bit surprising. We measured reset as carefully as that can be done and will also provide a subjective evaluation of “to the wall” on first trigger press. So you pull the trigger to the ‘point (wall)’ where you know from experience the gun is going to go off, pull thru to end of post travel and then release to reset. Because I knew the ‘stock’ G22 had never been fired I did place both the Vanek and the FACT into that firearm to exclude any ‘wear’ variations.





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    The FACT sits in the pistol cocked with the face of the trigger some 1/8” – 3/32” posterior to the other triggers (all tested). That means it is a shorter reach to the face and smaller hands will find this comforting. It also brings the line of pull or force into a ‘straighter’ (not straight) alignment which, to everyone who tested this trigger, “seems” to produce a more linear and “lighter” pull. Templar indicates this is a stock weight however every person who tested this said it felt (not tested) at or about 3-4#s.


    The FACT has a range from start, press, to full lock back on the trigger of 5/16” to 9/32”, it takes up completely on that pull which means there is zero over travel. The process is pre-travel of approximately 3/16” to the wall, pressing thru gives another 3/32”+- to final stop. Simply put the overall starting location for this trigger is posterior to all the other triggers tested, has a very short overall total travel and an extremely quick and easily felt “reset” of 3/32+-. When the trigger is pressed thru the cycle it STOPS completely at the end. It breaks cleanly with no felt roughness or ‘grind.’ FACT uses all stock Glock components and none of the built in safety features are affected.


    My very nice Vanek has a longer full travel of a bit over ½ inch and a measured reset of 3/16”. I note a bit of ‘spring’ just before the trigger breaks and there is a bit of over travel but really not enough to measure, sort of a settling in. The experience with this drop in trigger is good but I have to give the nod to the FACT. Of importance my Vanek has some 250 rounds thru it, not much but full disclosure of any potential differences is being noted.


    My Ghost connected trigger is using a stock bar and trigger, trigger housing. The connector is the Evo Elite and the fine tuning to fit it took me about 45 minutes. I very much like my Ghost products and their components are excellent. The trigger position at full cock is “stock”, in other words a full reach to the face. I note this difference because the FACT is definitely easier for my hands to contact and I like that difference. The take up with Ghost’s 6# trigger spring is quick and overall my G22 has about a 3.5# pull (that from a measure I took over a year ago with the right tool which I no longer have). There is no geometry modifications as there are on the FACT. Take up is smooth and very light at the end just before firing, smooth and very light. It feels lighter than the FACT but there is a bit, a tiny bit of over travel. I cannot really measure it but you can sense it. Of course as we tested the Ithaca 1911 we found, ready, over travel. Yeah, wear and some slop seems to let even the ‘1911’ to find a bit of follow through (none on the Springfield Custom Operator). So the difference being that I ‘ground’ the Ghost connector and the FACT is carefully machined and probably has tighter tolerances.


    One thought and that is cost. I have seen Glock trigger kits ranging above $300 and that is a steep price to replace what is a proven and reasonable trigger apparatus. The FACT is mid-range when it comes to pricing, the Ghost is very reasonable however you only get the connector and some springs, no housing, etc… the Vanek is more or less the same price as the FACT so you would need to take into account a couple of things: hand size where the FACT rules in this test and just how important is ‘no’ discernable over travel to you and your shooting?


    I think in the final analysis that aftermarket triggers can really change the feel of your Glock and probably their function when it comes to fine nuances of use. Anything that allows for smoother and reasonably (!) lighter mechanics should make you more accurate (at least with practice) but thousands of police officers use the bone stock Glock trigger and do so competently and continually. Deciding upon a trigger for your individual use is of course up to you. I find that the FACT has the easiest trigger to reach for my medium sized hands and has a ‘take up’ or press that is smooth, consistent with really no discernable over travel. It is not a 1911 however it “does feel more like that kind of trigger” than any of the others (and I did not test every trigger out there) I have or have tested. Is it a game changer? Well, if you are an excellent shooter and looking for that small degree of improvement that often comes in the form of personalizing your gun, perhaps so… I have changed all my stock Glock triggers to aftermarket. The FACT is in my G22 and I very much respect the differences it presents over all stock applications. When I shoot my G23 (Ghost equipped) and the G22 on the same day I find them similar excepting the ‘reach’ issue which is neatly addressed by the Templar with their Fast Action Combat Trigger. If you put one in your Glock I know you will not be disappointed and I believe you will find it is more comfortable for small to medium handed shooters, take up is and that reset is so very sweet.

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Recent User Reviews

  1. BlueFlame
    5/5,
    "My Glock sucked (when it was new)..."
    I have swapped out many parts in My G17, Gen3. And now I like it (3.5-4Lbs).
    It was horrid when I got it. I'm guessing it was around 10-13 Lbs. And after the $1.00 (I worked twice as hard) trigger job, it was around 7-8 Lbs.

    My advice to anyone planning on making changes, buy the hole trigger housing and trigger bar, for each modification, so that if you want to really feel the difference, just swap out the hole thing (trigger group).

    My best change was a fully machined firing pin safety (block plunger) and lighter spring.

    Finally there is a balancing act going on with trigger pull weight and the firing pin springs weight. The down side of a lighter spring, there is the reliability of the firing pin not hitting the primmer hard enough. The fix is the skeletonized firing pin.

    See the one mod, leads to another, and another...
  2. Borg Warner
    4/5,
    "Yes, you CAN improve the trigger, but should you?"
    After shooting 1911's for many years, the first time I fired a Glock, I didn't like it, And it wasn't until I fired a Glock with a trigger job that I bought my first Glock.

    But then I started carrying it, and I became aware that the gun was DANGEROUS! The closer the Glock trigger is to the perfect 1911 trigger, the closer it is to carrying a cocked 1911 with the safety disengaged!

    As such, making the trigger pull on a Glock feel like a 1911, is NOT a good idea. So did I go back to factory triggers in my two Glocks with trigger jobs? No. because the gunsmith had only made the trigger pull on my guns only slightly lighter, but smoother and with a better reset.

    After owning two Glocks and shooting others, once I had some experience with these guns the factory trigger didn't feel all that bad and I think the trigger pull weight on the Glock factory trigger is just about right for a carry gun. The trigger can be improved, but great care must be taken not to make it too light.
  3. Baddog0302
    2/5,
    "Trigger breaking or pull weight"
    With listing the several after market triggers the author has used, I find it strange that he doesn't own a trigger pull weight gauge, or used it in this article.
    After all ; from owners trying the "25 cent trigger job " to changing out a few parts to complete new after market triggers, all are done to reduce the trigger pull weight.

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  1. Frank Gothard
    Why does Everyone Complain about the Glock Triggers!!! If you use your gun enough!!! You see where the Trigger is fine!!! And Safety Also!! You have to pull the SAFETY Trigger In Front Of Main Trigger To FIRE!!!! How many people would shoot their Own Foot Pulling From A HOLSTER!!! Espically People That Are Not Use To Their Gun!!!! I have no problems with the GlockTrigger!!!! ON AN OF MY GLOCKS!!!! PRATICE!!!! IS THE KEY TO GOOD SHOOTING ABILITY!!!!! BUYING A GUN AND NEVER HARDLY SHOOTING IT!!! YOU WILL NOT BE AS A GREAT MARKSMAN!!! AS PRACTICING WITH YOUR GUN!!!! THE RECOIL AND ALL IS DIFFERENT ON ALL GUNS!!! AND PRATICE IS WHAT MAKES YOU KEEP A GOOD TARGET PATTERN!!!! IF YOU DON'T PRATICE!!! YOU BE SHOOTING ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!!! NEVER WILL BE IN A GOOD SMALL DIAMETER OF YOUR TARGET!!!!!
    1. FR3
      Why all the caps? It's like shouting, and the plethora of exclamation points is redundancy on steroids.
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  2. Earlglock
    Agree with post saying if u want a 1911 trigger, buy a 1911. I can just imagine the District attorney tearing ur defense to shreds over any trigger mods in a self defense senerio. No thanks u ....
  3. mikc5180
    It is mechanically impossible to make a glock trigger fell like a 1911. Anyone who tries to tell you different like Suarez is full of it.
  4. SDGlock23
    I never understood the craze of putting an aftermarket trigger in the Glock, it's a modification most people make without ever really giving the stock trigger a chance. Also, it's not uncommon for them to experience malfunctions due to their aftermarket trigger. I dare say that many read on the internet that Glock triggers are terrible (which they are NOT) and they immediately want to replace it without giving it a chance.

    It's also easy to blame bad shooting on the trigger, but it's simply because they don't put in enough time in with the stock Glock trigger to become proficient with it. A Glock trigger is different from a 1911 trigger, not worse but different, but again, once you spend enough time with the stock trigger, you'll see that tight groups are very easy to get with Glocks as long you're able to deliver them, but the biggest problem is that most people who are new to Glocks (or never gave them a second chance because of this) really don't know how to shoot one.
  5. Jessica G.
    I don't think it's a good idea to have a striker fired pistol with a trigger that light, unless it was strictly for competition use.

    If you compete, go for it, but just know that several of us warned you that you might shoot yourself in the foot one day by accident... or someone else. :/
  6. poesraven
    IF I wanted my Glock to feel like my 1911 trigger, I would have purchased a 1911 that looks like a Glock ! :2gun:
  7. Bonedoc
    ""Trigger breaking or pull weight""
    I would respectfully disagree. Trigger alterations/changes are done to make the trigger function better across a variety of areas. I find smoothness, take up are the ones I want to change. This trigger has a shorter reach, an anatomical improvement, and is smooth breaking cleanly which is also a desired outcome. The manufacturer indicates that 'weight' was not a goal (for instance the newest Beretta is a 6# pull, more than most stock Glocks) but the overall feel of the FACT is lighter because it is so much smoother. Other than an 'extreme' pull I simply want smooth and crisp with a short reset. This trigger covers those and then some.
  8. Outside
    If you want a 1911 then buy a 1911, the Glock trigger is perfect the way it is. Why buy a Glock if you are going to try to change it and make it into a different gun (1911), the only thing that might need to be changed are the sights for night sights (steel) and Glock has a great set of them at a great price. You can add a light and lazer if you choose to but to try to make a Glock anything other then Glock takes away from the reason we buy Glocks.
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  9. phonejack
    Changing out the parts on my G34 was a breeze. I felt the trigger press was too heavy so I put the factory striker spring back in the slide. Due to a work injury my trigger finger is slightly bent inward on the last digit. With this unit the finger no longer drags on the trigger guard. Dry firing I definitely feel it improves the trigger press. ( my 1911's have better triggers tho ) I rate this a good buy.
  10. SmokelessPowder
    You don't shoot enough to write an article like this. First of all, you don't even own a 1911 and you are talking about very sub-k testing of a new trigger and comparing to a 1911? I appreciate the 125K+ rounds through the stock G22 but until you've put 2K rounds through a glock with this FACT trigger don't bother talking about it in public.
    1. Bonedoc
      Well, then ALL reviews on almost ALL sites would be of no value according to your rather harsh criteria.