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Article Make your Glock trigger feel like a 1911!

Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket Glock triggers? Do a simple search for “Glock triggers” and watch the number of hits and each...
By Bonedoc, Jul 5, 2017 | | |
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  1. Bonedoc
    Ever wonder why there are so many aftermarket Glock triggers? Do a simple search for “Glock triggers” and watch the number of hits and each promise the very best experience. Now that doesn’t mean that the stock Glock trigger is the worst experience but it does indicate that dissatisfaction with Gaston’s trigger is significant.

    I bought my first Glock in ’90 and that G22 is still going strong. My gun book indicates over 125K rounds out of that maintained pistol and it does not have the stock Glock trigger. No… that went away many years ago. Since then I’ve followed several manufacturers of aftermarket Glock triggers and read with interest their presentations. That says “read with interest”, note is doesn’t say ‘buy’. I mean if you bought every aftermarket Glock trigger than came down the pike you’d be in the poor house. Some of the kits run well into the $250 range and up and, well, frankly is it worth a third of the price of the whole pistol. Right! I can hear the response, “well, what’s your life worth” as if the stock Glock trigger dooms you to a quick death in any confrontation. Simple not true but there are those who hate the stock product with a near vendetta. However numbers do not lie and the Glock pistol in a variety of variants is the choice of law enforcement agencies worldwide and in great numbers. Those agencies don’t, generally, allow modifications to the service weapon so we do see regular and successful use of the Glock in stock configuration. In fact if you buy a Glock and don’t touch it, just shoot it, practice with it and do so regularly with effort you will be rewarded with great skill that is not negatively affected by the ‘bad trigger’. Proof? Bob Vogel. He began his illustrious career in competition shooting using a stock Glock trigger and often notes that (even as a trigger bearing his name is now available for improved ‘triggeperformance’) fact in his book. And that is exactly why I put a non-stock trigger in all my Glocks.


    Improved trigger performance? Pick up and examine a quality 1911… a stock WWII


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    Ithaca that has had no armoring since those days? Well, no… because, while it is a 1911, the machining back then lacks a bit in comparison with today’s products. How about a $3000 Wilson? Now that is butter. Squeeze, press, pull, or whatever your favorite description of making the gun go ‘boom’ is, that trigger and you will suddenly see what that ‘Holy Grail’ feels like and why companies sell aftermarket triggers for your Glock. And, at least in my opinion, none will attain that goal because the designs are markedly different. That said, there are some very good aftermarket triggers which make your Glock easier to hit well with and are reasonably priced.


    The FACT of the matter is the trigger we are examining today is just such an add-on and worth your consideration. FACT stands for ‘Fast Action Combat Trigger’ and it was engineered and is manufactured by Templar Custom Arms and Bob Meszaros. [ see http://www.templarcustomarms.com/New-Products.htm]. Templar states that the trigger is “shorter, smoother, has a better reset and feels ‘more’ like the 1911 trigger’. Does it?

    That is what I was wondering.


    Dave Spaulding reviewed the trigger in the link above and I respect his observations. You can watch it but I will give you mine (I’ve been shooting since 1962 and have handled far too many firearms to recall and I do not own a 1911… now that is) and you can decide.


    I have either dropped in or modified and placed in numerous aftermarket triggers. One of my G22s has a Vanek Custom Classic Trigger Kit, several have Ghost EVO Elite 3.5 connector and the suggested 'other' additions (FP Safety spring, trigger spring and FP/striker spring – in my gun I used both 6# springs, striker and trigger) and I had available to me a completely stock (and never lubricated, jeez) G22, Gen 3. I also had the above mentioned Ithaca and a new Springfield 1911 Custom Operator to do a hands on comparison. Finally I handled a Wilson 9mm Elite. Start off with that Wilson Elite and “no” trigger is going to be good enough so we’ll discount it right now!


    The FACT does indeed drop in as did the Vanek. The EVO line from Ghost requires some very careful modifying but all the instructions are present both in their shipped package and on Ghost’s website. Careful is the key word there so for folks who are looking for a drop in and walk away, well… careful.


    Cutting to the chase… we did not measure trigger weight although the ‘sensed’ pull is mentioned and the outcome was a bit surprising. We measured reset as carefully as that can be done and will also provide a subjective evaluation of “to the wall” on first trigger press. So you pull the trigger to the ‘point (wall)’ where you know from experience the gun is going to go off, pull thru to end of post travel and then release to reset. Because I knew the ‘stock’ G22 had never been fired I did place both the Vanek and the FACT into that firearm to exclude any ‘wear’ variations.





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    The FACT sits in the pistol cocked with the face of the trigger some 1/8” – 3/32” posterior to the other triggers (all tested). That means it is a shorter reach to the face and smaller hands will find this comforting. It also brings the line of pull or force into a ‘straighter’ (not straight) alignment which, to everyone who tested this trigger, “seems” to produce a more linear and “lighter” pull. Templar indicates this is a stock weight however every person who tested this said it felt (not tested) at or about 3-4#s.


    The FACT has a range from start, press, to full lock back on the trigger of 5/16” to 9/32”, it takes up completely on that pull which means there is zero over travel. The process is pre-travel of approximately 3/16” to the wall, pressing thru gives another 3/32”+- to final stop. Simply put the overall starting location for this trigger is posterior to all the other triggers tested, has a very short overall total travel and an extremely quick and easily felt “reset” of 3/32+-. When the trigger is pressed thru the cycle it STOPS completely at the end. It breaks cleanly with no felt roughness or ‘grind.’ FACT uses all stock Glock components and none of the built in safety features are affected.


    My very nice Vanek has a longer full travel of a bit over ½ inch and a measured reset of 3/16”. I note a bit of ‘spring’ just before the trigger breaks and there is a bit of over travel but really not enough to measure, sort of a settling in. The experience with this drop in trigger is good but I have to give the nod to the FACT. Of importance my Vanek has some 250 rounds thru it, not much but full disclosure of any potential differences is being noted.


    My Ghost connected trigger is using a stock bar and trigger, trigger housing. The connector is the Evo Elite and the fine tuning to fit it took me about 45 minutes. I very much like my Ghost products and their components are excellent. The trigger position at full cock is “stock”, in other words a full reach to the face. I note this difference because the FACT is definitely easier for my hands to contact and I like that difference. The take up with Ghost’s 6# trigger spring is quick and overall my G22 has about a 3.5# pull (that from a measure I took over a year ago with the right tool which I no longer have). There is no geometry modifications as there are on the FACT. Take up is smooth and very light at the end just before firing, smooth and very light. It feels lighter than the FACT but there is a bit, a tiny bit of over travel. I cannot really measure it but you can sense it. Of course as we tested the Ithaca 1911 we found, ready, over travel. Yeah, wear and some slop seems to let even the ‘1911’ to find a bit of follow through (none on the Springfield Custom Operator). So the difference being that I ‘ground’ the Ghost connector and the FACT is carefully machined and probably has tighter tolerances.


    One thought and that is cost. I have seen Glock trigger kits ranging above $300 and that is a steep price to replace what is a proven and reasonable trigger apparatus. The FACT is mid-range when it comes to pricing, the Ghost is very reasonable however you only get the connector and some springs, no housing, etc… the Vanek is more or less the same price as the FACT so you would need to take into account a couple of things: hand size where the FACT rules in this test and just how important is ‘no’ discernable over travel to you and your shooting?


    I think in the final analysis that aftermarket triggers can really change the feel of your Glock and probably their function when it comes to fine nuances of use. Anything that allows for smoother and reasonably (!) lighter mechanics should make you more accurate (at least with practice) but thousands of police officers use the bone stock Glock trigger and do so competently and continually. Deciding upon a trigger for your individual use is of course up to you. I find that the FACT has the easiest trigger to reach for my medium sized hands and has a ‘take up’ or press that is smooth, consistent with really no discernable over travel. It is not a 1911 however it “does feel more like that kind of trigger” than any of the others (and I did not test every trigger out there) I have or have tested. Is it a game changer? Well, if you are an excellent shooter and looking for that small degree of improvement that often comes in the form of personalizing your gun, perhaps so… I have changed all my stock Glock triggers to aftermarket. The FACT is in my G22 and I very much respect the differences it presents over all stock applications. When I shoot my G23 (Ghost equipped) and the G22 on the same day I find them similar excepting the ‘reach’ issue which is neatly addressed by the Templar with their Fast Action Combat Trigger. If you put one in your Glock I know you will not be disappointed and I believe you will find it is more comfortable for small to medium handed shooters, take up is and that reset is so very sweet.

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Recent User Reviews

  1. Borg Warner
    4/5,
    "Yes, you CAN improve the trigger, but should you?"
    After shooting 1911's for many years, the first time I fired a Glock, I didn't like it, And it wasn't until I fired a Glock with a trigger job that I bought my first Glock.

    But then I started carrying it, and I became aware that the gun was DANGEROUS! The closer the Glock trigger is to the perfect 1911 trigger, the closer it is to carrying a cocked 1911 with the safety disengaged!

    As such, making the trigger pull on a Glock feel like a 1911, is NOT a good idea. So did I go back to factory triggers in my two Glocks with trigger jobs? No. because the gunsmith had only made the trigger pull on my guns only slightly lighter, but smoother and with a better reset.

    After owning two Glocks and shooting others, once I had some experience with these guns the factory trigger didn't feel all that bad and I think the trigger pull weight on the Glock factory trigger is just about right for a carry gun. The trigger can be improved, but great care must be taken not to make it too light.
  2. Baddog0302
    2/5,
    "Trigger breaking or pull weight"
    With listing the several after market triggers the author has used, I find it strange that he doesn't own a trigger pull weight gauge, or used it in this article.
    After all ; from owners trying the "25 cent trigger job " to changing out a few parts to complete new after market triggers, all are done to reduce the trigger pull weight.
  3. Greg45FL
    5/5,
    "One size does not fit ALL"
    Thank you for writing this article. I know that there are a lot of people who are adamant about Glock Perfection and believe any modification to a stock Glock will result in an unreliable firearm which should be relegated to nothing more than a "range toy".

    My wife has very small hands and has a difficult time with a stock Glock due to the combination of the grip size and trigger reach length. I okay with it but prefer a little more refined feel of say a Wilson 1911 or a Grayguns' SIG.

    In our case I went with an aftermarket flat faced triggers because it provided a better feel (shoe), shorter trigger reach, take-up, reset and so on. Since we use them as carry guns I did not want to change the pull weight a lot and they measure right at 5 lbs. I see no problem with modifying a firearm to meet the specific needs of an owner as long as you invest enough range time with the modified firearm to ensure it is reliable and safe.

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  1. Outside
    If you want a 1911 then buy a 1911, the Glock trigger is perfect the way it is. Why buy a Glock if you are going to try to change it and make it into a different gun (1911), the only thing that might need to be changed are the sights for night sights (steel) and Glock has a great set of them at a great price. You can add a light and lazer if you choose to but to try to make a Glock anything other then Glock takes away from the reason we buy Glocks.
  2. phonejack
    Changing out the parts on my G34 was a breeze. I felt the trigger press was too heavy so I put the factory striker spring back in the slide. Due to a work injury my trigger finger is slightly bent inward on the last digit. With this unit the finger no longer drags on the trigger guard. Dry firing I definitely feel it improves the trigger press. ( my 1911's have better triggers tho ) I rate this a good buy.
  3. SmokelessPowder
    You don't shoot enough to write an article like this. First of all, you don't even own a 1911 and you are talking about very sub-k testing of a new trigger and comparing to a 1911? I appreciate the 125K+ rounds through the stock G22 but until you've put 2K rounds through a glock with this FACT trigger don't bother talking about it in public.
  4. PetePerfection
    If you want a 1911 trigger feel, buy a 1911.
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  5. Earlglock
    A good single action trigger like a 1911 is what other guns strive for. imho a pre cocked DAO is about as close as it gets(hammer fired btw) I find striker fired to be workable and constant but hardly top notch.
  6. Wargrider
    I'm vaguely curious as to why I'd want a 1911 trigger in my Glock. If I wanted a 1911 trigger, I'd buy a 1911.

    Doesn't seem particularly safe either, since a 1911 trigger is what, 3 pounds?