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Yugoslavian M70 vs. Serbian PAP?

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by Roostmonkey, Jul 13, 2013.


  1. Roostmonkey

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    I'm in the market for an AKM pattern rifle, especially now that the prices are starting to level out. Other than the obvious grenade gas-shutoff/leaf sight, what have you guys found to be different? (Rails on dust cover not included)
     

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  2. Roostmonkey

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    Well, I guess I'll rephrase!

    Would anyone like to share their experiences with either rifle? Fit and finish? Reliability?
     

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    Get the yugo underfolder m70ab make sure it's not the m70abt... this is a battle proven ak from the Balkan wars... the Serbian pap mag well was cut out to about a double stack mag...not a true ak... yugo m70 is one of the best made ak with a 1.6 rpk heavy duty... and you can turn it into a pistol or rifle... that's my opinion...Oh and it has nite sights you can use...but I like the regular iron sights better... shot this weekend 100 yards with iron sights...Very accurate...
     
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    I only have the yugo m70ab2. Its very well made, heavy with tight tolerance. Its supposed to have a thicker receiver but not chromed line barrel. I dont know if those matter that much. There are only a few parts available, and they are not interchangeable, so rails and such tend to cost a little more. Its accurate enough for me. I can get 1 inch groups at 45 yards. Thats how long my local gun range can go. I have 3 FTF in maybe 500 rounds. Those happened in the first 100 and nothing thereafter. The underfolder is a bit uncomfy when shooting specially when youre gonna shoot it all day. The underfolder though makes it easy for me to stow it anywhere. I bought it during the peak of the panic. I dont regret buying it, its so fun to shoot.

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    I bought a Yugo M70b1 fixed stock about two years ago for $475. It's very tight, built like a tank, and a surprisingly good shooter. After at least 2000 rounds I've had 1 failure which was my fault - I didn't have the shepherd's crook in right after a trigger group takedown. It's perfect with all types of ammo and consistently gives me about 2" at 50 yards and 4-5" at 100 with stock open sights. The furniture looks great and the metal finish is good quality. It's a CAI build, but they definitely got this one right. I'd highly recommend an M70 in either fixed or folding stock.
     
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  7. Roostmonkey

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    I saw that sale too! I might have to pull the trigger on that deal.
     
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    The o pap were single stack mags that were later opened up to accept double stack mags... lots of problems with the o pap... nothing better than the true m70s...
     
  9. CGP

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    You don't know what you're talking about. Seriously. Do some research and report back.
     
  10. Roostmonkey

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    From what I understand, the rifle started out as the PAP, went to the N-PAP (the model with the railed dust cover), and the latest generation is the O-PAP. Again, from what I have heard, the O-PAP has a double stack bolt, and was built to accept full double stack magazines from the factory.
     
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    You are correct. I own several Yugos and the O-PAP does indeed have the double stack bolt. Minus the 922r parts, it's as every bit authentic as the pre-ban Mitchells.
     
  12. Roostmonkey

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    Cool, glad I was right. Of course, now I'm really itching to get an O-PAP from JG while they still have them on sale.
     
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    Got to play with 'em. Aside from Igor being drunk and putting a sight on crooked, the fit and finish on the other example was fantastic every bit as good as the Bulgy I owned and better than the WASR and miles ahead of the MAADI.

    ETA: Given that Century did the build, would not buy sight unseen.
     
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