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Yep, let's legalize drugs...

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties Issues' started by Detectorist, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. RussP

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    Please, tell us how that is going to happen, getting abusers to take personal responsibility for their actions.
     
  2. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    O so clearly now my profession comes into play? I can't point out clear violations of our judicial system without being a LEO?

    Couldn't debate the actual law?

    Are there any professions where one my garner this jewel?
     


  3. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    Stop saving them from themselves and stop the flow of tax payer money to subsidize their problems.
     
  4. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    Right no one cares. Such the elitist. Maybe you can't see all the miltary units I served in under my signature.

    Clearly only you can save us by accepting the blatant violations of our laws.
     
  5. RussP

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    Okay, your plan is to decriminalize the possession and use of all drugs, right?

    Next, your plan removes all subsidies for the treatment of drug users. Treatment, does that include counselling to prevent use, too?

    Your plan's success is predicated on drug users dying, they die off.

    Is there more that I did not mention?
     
  6. Harper

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    From economist Mark Thornton - Auburn University
     
  7. aspartz

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    Here are federal sentencing guidelines:

    http://norml.org/laws/item/federal-penalties-2

    As you can see, 3rd offense can get you 3 yrs in the federal system. If there is a gun in the house there is another MANDATORY aggravated sentence. Also, many smokers grow at home..

    The federal system has a whole bunch of pot smokers in it.

    ARS
     
  8. Yrdawg

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    It's just an opinion of course, but I'm thinking that if all drugs were legal and OTC, there would be a learning curve but the gene pool would start to clear in a few years. The jails would be near empty, allowing LE to concentrate on criminals.
     
  9. Yrdawg

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    Good argument Russ, I agree that people who are going to choose dumb over smart will smash their fingers in the truck door more often than not. The pain will cure the smarter ones.

    Think also that the Government services related to drugs should not stop but would dramatically reduce themselves.
     
  10. Ohio Cop

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    Ok. You've shown me the federal sentencing guidelines. Show me the "joint smoker" doing prison time. Just for smoking a J on the street.
     
  11. Ohio Cop

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    How does it feel that no matter how much you type, you're still wrong?
     
  12. Bruce M

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    You are more than welcome to and I admire your persistence. However what you think it means and what hundreds of thousands who have advanced degrees in law, teach law, and read, interpret and administer it daily apparently think it means something different than do you.



    Still I wonder how many of them are there because their only crime was using recreational amounts in the confines of their own home.
     
  13. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    The first part of the plan is follow the guidelines set forth by the Constitution. What the States do next is up to them and their citizens. My choice would be to defund social programs that enable addicts.

    Everything I stated was factual. Your perversion of the facts and your justification for it only confirm what I already knew.

    If you can't point out the provisions in the COTUS that allow for these "interpretations" then it's a safe bet they can't either. If a hundreds of thousands of people can point to provisions such as the power of judicial review and the circumvention of the COTUS then you may have an argument. Thing is you can't and neither can they. You have merely accepted it and gave up. That doesn't make you any less wrong.
     
  14. syntaxerrorsix

    syntaxerrorsix Anti-Federalist CLM

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    Really, great thread and arguments. Still no one has justified the usurpation of the 10A or pointed out the constitutionality of the Judicial Branch of government granting itself a power not delegated to it.

    Pretty much the basis for the entire argument. Not one single factual debate from any of you. Half of you will be complaining about some law or violation of right tomorrow but will fail to see the relevance of the conversation. Sad.
     
  15. BicycleDay43

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    For the sake of efficiency, and a solution that would actually work...

    You could legalize whichever drugs your wanted, but then...
    Establish a list of substances that if found in your system will nullify your Obamacare/health insurance, revoke your EBT card, cancel any and all gov't monies or benefits you receive for anything, and lose your right to vote, all for the next five years. Additionally, change the three-strikes-and-you're-out law to three-strikes-and-you're-dead. I predict a sharp increase in crime for the very short term, followed by a long, slow decrease, ultimately resulting in tax savings and gene-pool cleansing and a lower crime rate.

    The Dems will never go for it, though, because their constituency would all be dead.
     
  17. RussP

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    So you really are not so much for decriminalizing the manufacturing, distribution, sale, and use of drugs, you just want the federal government to cede that power to the states. You want each of the states to decide on their own whether the manufacturing, distribution, sale, and use of drugs should be permitted.

    However, regardless of the laws, you want all programs related to treatment of drug users defunded. When you say defunded, do you mean private funding as well as tax dollar funding?

    What about international suppliers? Who gets to deal with the flow of drugs from sources outside our international borders?
     
  18. Detectorist

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    I used to teach in a State prison. This prison was so bad that it was rated the most dangerous prison in the US.

    I never met anyone who was there for just smoking MJ in their homes. That is a myth.
     
  19. countrygun

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    Just what form of protective bubble is going to be around these drugs, especially imported, that is going to render them the only substance, from apple juice to zucchini pickles including cold medication to cold crème, that you can put in or on your body, that will be free from Government inspection, regulation, and taxes to pay for the first two?

    do you think the pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol industries are going to stand by and do nothing wile they are being taxed on their products?

    All of this is going to keep it "cheap' right?

    How is the importation going to work legally? what about States that don't legalize it but are trafficked through by folks transporting?
     
  20. brisk21

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    If anyone thinks that meth, crack, cocaine, herione, or anything like that should be legal they are crazy. Ive never seen pot do that to anyone like in the photos. A lot of people covet their alcohol, but condemn pot users. That is just silly. Pot should, and will eventually be legal.